Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[weepinwillow]

I love Mikal's game. I considered him a high-quality 3&D role player during the draft, but he looks like much more than that. His length is insane, and it allows him to be one of the most versatile defensive players in the league. He's about as good of a glue guy as you can find for a championship caliber team. I just don't think he's the type of player to start your rebuild with.

That seemed to be the consensus around here. I didn't see anyone other than Luka who I thought was a true building block cornerstone, so was fine with Mikal.
Sexton is great if frustrating, but is he on the level of a Spider or Murray or pre-injury Pacer-Olidipo? That's the level he needs to reach to play the style he does on a upper level winning organization. Cavs did good to get Allen, all those guys have/had good to great bigmen behind them.
One thing I'd be interested in knowing is Collin's release time to his 3 point jumper. It looks slower than the guys above, like he almost needs to set.
Anyway, less important than the weakside pass and feeling/seeing the defense better.

 

[bleachkit]

That 2018 draft class was loaded. After Luka, there's a great next tier of talent that includes SGA, Sexton, MPJ, Mikal Bridges, Trae Young, Jaren Jackson, and Ayton. SGA probably goes 2 in a redraft, but I think you can make a compelling case for Sexton at 3. I know he's a polarizing player around here, and it's easier to nitpick a player's faults in a rebuilding situation where winning has yet to be prioritized, but he's one helluva talent. He legitimately could become an efficient 27ppg scorer, and that type of player doesn't just grow on trees.

Sexton does not go #3 in re-draft.

 

[OptimusPrime]

That seemed to be the consensus around here. I didn't see anyone other than Luka who I thought was a true building block cornerstone, so was fine with Mikal.
Sexton is great if frustrating, but is he on the level of a Spider or Murray or pre-injury Pacer-Olidipo? That's the level he needs to reach to play the style he does on a upper level winning organization.

Who knows what he'll end up being, but he's almost exactly playing on the level of a Mitchell, Murray, and Oladipo when they were 22 years old.

 

[bleachkit]

Atlanta wanted two 1st round picks from us to get that Doncic pick, and were already worried that Trae wouldn't make it to them at 8.

It was a trade that wouldn't have happened without a gross overpay. Hard to build around a superstar at an early age like Luka without assets. It'd be the 1st stint of LeBron all over again.

The right move was to trade up to get Doncic, but we are saying that with the benefit of hindsight obviously.

 

[weepinwillow]

Who knows what he'll end up being, but he's almost exactly playing on the level of a Mitchell, Murray, and Oladipo when they were 22 years old.

better than Victor at same age.
Utah has just been perfect on fit next to Mitchell. Plus it was a winning situation from the start for Mitchell.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Really amazing that high usage players tend to have more turnovers. It’s almost as if the two stats are somehow related.

LMFAOOOOOOO YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! And most of Colin’s turnovers (correct if I’m wrong) come when he’s either forcing the action or out of control. I don’t see a lot of lazy passes or sloppy ball handling mistakes from him. And didn’t LBJ just become the all leader in turnovers?

 

[Cavatt]

Sexton has become a winning player this year imo. Whether he goes 3rd in a redraft is immaterial. SGA may go 2nd, but wouldnt have last year, who knows next year.

He's great and I think he is going to become a complete player at some point. He has that mentality. I would have taken Bamba if he had been available, but as it fell Mikal would have been my pick. That would have been ok

 

[weepinwillow]

LMFAOOOOOOO YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! And most of Colin’s turnovers (correct if I’m wrong) come when he’s either forcing the action or out of control. I don’t see a lot of lazy passes or sloppy ball handling mistakes from him. And didn’t LBJ just become the all leader in turnovers?

It's the out of control part you'd like to see minimized.

 

["MVP"]

Sexton has become a winning player this year imo. Whether he goes 3rd in a redraft is immaterial. SGA may go 2nd, but wouldnt have last year, who knows next year.

He's great and I think he is going to become a complete player at some point. He has that mentality. I would have taken Bamba if he had been available, but as it fell Mikal would have been my pick. That would have been ok

More significantly than where he would go is that there were 8 really good / great players in that draft that any team would love to have, and the Cavs got one of them. I'm bullish on Sexton reaching his ceiling, whatever it is, just given his mentality. I don't see why he can't become an all-star caliber guard in a similar tier as Mitchell or Murray.

IMO, Sexton, Okoro, Nance, and Allen are perfect pieces in building a grit-and-grind style team that will wear other teams down with their relentlessness. It's the team Dan G has always wanted, and the team that Koby & JBB seem aligned on constructing.

 

[ansatsusha80]

It's the out of control part you'd like to see minimized.

Most of the "out of control" comes from when he's on the floor with non-scorers and he feels he gotta score until Garland or Jarrett comes back on the floor..That's why he needs another consistent scorer with him on the floor...imo


You're right,he does need to minimized it though.

 

[cabs]

1. Doncic
2. Shai
3. Trae
4. Jackson
5. Sexton

So he goes 5 imo

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The right move was to trade up to get Doncic, but we are saying that with the benefit of hindsight obviously.

As I remember, something came out later about what was going on in the Hawks war room, amd that two first round picks would not have been enough because they wanted Young that badly.

We weren't getting Luka.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

1. Doncic
2. Shai
3. Trae
4. Jackson
5. Sexton

So he goes 5 imo

You're probably right, although I'd rather have Sexton than Trae. In addition to his game, the stories about how he tuned out his coach and teammates, and then his blowing up at a ref for not getting a call on his flop, are red flags to me. For a guy as young as he is (and I hope you see what I did there....) to be doing that screams "this dude is going to be a Pre-Madonna* pain in the ass to his teams" down the road.

*Hat tip to Sir'Dom for the reminder.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

As I remember, something came out later about what was going on in the Hawks war room, amd that two first round picks would not have been enough because they wanted Young that badly.

We weren't getting Luka.

I can’t remember what did the Hawks give up?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I can’t remember what did the Hawks give up?

Well, it was the Mavs who gave up stuff. But they gave up the No. 5 overall - which the Hawks used on Trae Young - plus their first round pick the next year.

Hawks wanted Young badly.