Well done using their career numbers so that Sexton's rookie season would drag his career of 2.5 seasons down to the level of Ben Gordon. Sexton's numbers this season at age 22 are a bit different.
PER 17.6
TS% .574
TRB% 4.5
AST% 20.6
STL% 1.5
BLK% 0.3
TOV% 11.1
USG% 29.0
WS/48 .083
It's a ridiculous comparison even if they were similar players on the floor, so unless Sexton really falls off a cliff, I don't think anyone has to worry about him being Ben Gordon.
I also used Ben Gordon's shit final few seasons once Chicago gave up on him being their #1 guy and let him walk. The comp is legit.. it's not my fault you guys don't want to see it.
I could only imagine if he had the Jazz floor spacing and Gobert behind him and the consistency of having 1 coach and playing with the same teammates for years.
I can imagine it, and it would be a mediocre Jazz team wondering why they can't win, because Mitchell is a better player on every level compared to Sexton: physically, mentally, statistically.
Basketball is not played in a vacuum, there are teammates on the floor. They impact the game. A LOT.
Agreed, and Collin's teammates seem to play with better flow, more movement in the offense and just plain looser w/o him.
the arguments keep repeating themselves. i remember, a few weeks back, i had to post ben gordon's first three years to properly compare sexton's, and also the assist, passes, potential assists, etc for sexton's year on year improvement.
Of course they do: because Collin's best role on a winning NBA team is as a 6th man, and the evidence keeps smacking you in the face if you watch the games.
We are at the end of season 3 on Sexton. The Cavs have to make a decision on him next year. They have played him like he's the #1 face of the franchise type guy, which means they will need to pay him like that.. but I don't think he's actually that kind of player. Be honest with yourself, if the Cavs went to trade Collin now, what's your best return?
Collin will keep working hard to get better. He's not going to be a prototypical PG, but he's not going to be some ball hog who never passes the ball either.
I don't doubt Collin's work ethic. It's one of his best traits along with his first step and finishing ability.
It's because he's not a prototypical PG, and he doesn't see the floor or anticipates the defense that makes him best suited as a 6th man-style player. Now, this isn't Sexton's fault, the Cavs forced him into starting from the get go, going so far as to fire a coach because he didn't want to start him as a rookie, but now we can't even look at his best role because he's been made the face of the franchise, and if you are honest with yourself, he's not a 1A building block, but if he's starting, he has to be a near 1A option.
Some of this is compounded by the KPjr shitshow: he was the best SG prospect we had and should have been the guy you paired with Garland and Okoro this year. Some of it is compounded by the Cavs having inconsistent management/leadership at the very top. Going through 18 coaches in these guys 1st 2 seasons is criminal.
I don't know what your best option is, here. After 3 years of watching them, I'm leaning towards finding a role player who fits and maybe some draft capital this offseason for Sexton. the other route is maybe trading Garland, I think you could probably get more for him than Collin. Maybe you could make a S&T for Lonzo Ball with Garland. I just think Ball ends up somewhere else.
I do know this: something's got to give. The perimeter defense is astoundingly bad, we can't keep anyone in-front of us, which is opening up everyone else's man on the help and this is in large part because we are running Sexton and Garland out there at the same time, and neither is a very good defender (and NBA G defense is hard enough with good defensive principles).