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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
I don't think Kyrie wants to just be this ball hog gunner anymore, he's a career 6 assist guy so I think he enjoyed being the lead dog facilitator, but yes now that Harden is in town, that puts him in a tough spot because Harden is better as a maestro facilitator. Now it seems Kyrie's role has now become more of a specialist scorer.
I think the Nets are a funny case, because I'm not sure Harden, Irving, or Durant are really A prime players (I'd argue that Curry was much more valuable than Durant for the warriors) and really Brooklyn plays their best when the 3 have equal amount of shots and play/control (they're basically unstoppable when they all share the load, and not great when one (like Durant) takes over most of the work). It's actually pretty enlightening if you look back on the games... they're all good enough to win a game nearly by themselves, but they lose games when someone is too dominant.
 
Yeah I wholeheartedly agree, and I think the debate is is it smart to sign a #2 guy to a big-time contract if you’re still searching for #1? I think if the Cavs were confident they were getting a LeBron or Zion type player out of this draft where they were expecting a significant immediate impact and believed that guy to be a true #1 option, they’d be offering Sexton an extension now.

Obviously things are even more complicated with Garland on the roster, but I think the main hesitancy is they don’t want to commit major money to a #2 option and potentially limit themselves down the road when it comes to trying to acquire a #1 type guy. The other roster fit issues are obviously a consideration as well.

I don't see the issue. If nobody would trade for him on a max contract, it means that no one would give him a max offer sheet. If not we keep him cheaper than that. I have seen 22M a year. I mean what happens when you have a fully functioning offense with Mobley and Garland, but no one can get the bucket at the end of the game? Fact is we might not get that genuine #1 franchise guy. My opinion on that is that there are fewer of those guys than there are teams in the league. This is either our last chance, we already drafted him, or maybe by some chance we luck out on a million to one shot for a Jokic like guy later on. People seem to be fretting a lot about a championship level team, but I don't see the point in even talking about that until we have a Luka or Zion like prospect. It's just weird because we talk about building through the draft, but the one guy we hit on who is one of the best #8 picks ever is going to be traded for what? A lower pick who has low odds of turning even into his equal.

I personally think Sexton is going to get significantly better. He is a smart self-aware guy, but he lacks a lot of polish. He is vary good, but I wouldn't say his game is mature. His game is going to mature, and he will take better shots, take more of the shots he should and fewer of the ones he won't. If his progress this year continues he will also pass the ball when doubled.

Game 1 in Brooklyn he had 42 pts. Game 2 he only had 25, but he had 11 assists because they did everything they could to stop him. We saw the same thing when Darius went down at the end of the year, he averaged 6.5 assists.

His deadly scoring and the attraction that brings is feeding his scoring, instead of people wanting him to pass first. IT is valuable though to have a guy who can break the defense and then kick to the open guy. That is how like Kawhi improved his assist numbers. It actually has very little to do with Vision. It is knowing someone is open because they are crowding you.

Someone posted that stat today about how Garland assisted on 89 kick outs to 3 while Collin had 99 or something like that. His assists come from breaking the d, not passing guys open.
 
Collin Sexton, the only guy in the NBA to shrink 2 inches coming into the NBA. Must have been wearing elevator shoes back in college/HS and the bloggers must have gotten paid to elevate his height. What a difference 6'3'' to 6'1'' makes in the eyes of the fans and evaluators. But it must be because NBA players are now measured barefoot for true height, so it is possible he is a high 6'2-6'3 in shoes.

6'3'' reference: https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2018/06/12/collin-sexton-nba-draft-profile/

6'3'' reference: http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-collin-sexton.html

63'' reference: https://nbadraftroom.com/collin-sexton-nba-draft-scouting-report/

Although most other outlets had him at 6'2, it's astonishing he's now all of the sudden an undersized 6'1 SG bench spark-plug. But he's a legit 6'1 now at least!

You havent been paying attention that the last 2 years the NBA wanted real measurements without shoes. Before they always measured players with shoes. 6'3 is what Sexton measures WITH shoes.
 
I think the Nets are a funny case, because I'm not sure Harden, Irving, or Durant are really A prime players (I'd argue that Curry was much more valuable than Durant for the warriors)
You may argue that but you'd be wrong. The Warrior's won one title without Durant, and that was when Delly was our 2nd option! Durant came within a toenail of beating the Bucks by himself, and Milwaukee looks to win the chip tonight. Since Durant left the Warriors have missed the playoffs, and even with Thompson out there is still plenty of talent on that team. Curry can shoot the lights out but that's it, while Durant can carry an entire team.
 

"He wouldn't put up those numbers on a good team" pretty much ignores that spacing is bad on bad teams. These relative numbers are very interesting. I mean you had Curry stans all year talking about how bad his spacing was.

Now Zion's spacing was so much better than Ingram because Ingram can shoot and ZIon can't? Does that mean Okoro had better spacing than Sexton?
 
You havent been paying attention that the last 2 years the NBA wanted real measurements without shoes. Before they always measured players with shoes. 6'3 is what Sexton measures WITH shoes.
I acknowledged in my post that the NBA switched measurements at the end of the first paragraph. My whole point being it just changes the optics and the perception of a player, because before it was wow he's a solid 6'3'' PG, now it's oh he's a shortie 6'1'' SG (becase we now have Garland as PG so Sexton has to be a SG), so let's trade him for peanuts because we can't tie up money to a short SG. I think you get what I'm saying.
 
Collin Sexton, the only guy in the NBA to shrink 2 inches coming into the NBA. Must have been wearing elevator shoes back in college/HS and the bloggers must have gotten paid to elevate his height. What a difference 6'3'' to 6'1'' makes in the eyes of the fans and evaluators. But it must be because NBA players are now measured barefoot for true height, so it is possible he is a high 6'2-6'3 in shoes.

6'3'' reference: https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2018/06/12/collin-sexton-nba-draft-profile/

6'3'' reference: http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-collin-sexton.html

63'' reference: https://nbadraftroom.com/collin-sexton-nba-draft-scouting-report/

Although most other outlets had him at 6'2, it's astonishing he's now all of the sudden an undersized 6'1 SG bench spark-plug. But he's a legit 6'1 now at least!
Honestly I think Okoro shrunk too. I was a little surprised the first time I saw him in a Cavs uni. He just seemed a little bigger in college..
 
Honestly I think Okoro shrunk too. I was a little surprised the first time I saw him in a Cavs uni. He just seemed a little bigger in college..
In the game threads last year all of us thought Okoro was shrinking a little every game,,hence the classic line (I don't remember which poster to credit to)
"Honey I Shrunk the Okoro",,,,still crack up thinking of that one.
 
I acknowledged in my post that the NBA switched measurements at the end of the first paragraph. My whole point being it just changes the optics and the perception of a player, because before it was wow he's a solid 6'3'' PG, now it's oh he's a shortie 6'1'' SG (becase we now have Garland as PG so Sexton has to be a SG), so let's trade him for peanuts because we can't tie up money to a short SG. I think you get what I'm saying.

He is actually 6'1 with long arms, he has the typical standing reach of a 6'3 SG with a wide base.

Still a bit undersized, but his biggest issue is he is ball dominate as a sg. Sexton has allot of skills, but he isnt really a true pg or sg. I like Sexton and even though I am open for a trade, I have repeatedly said its to get a disgruntled good player and point to Ingram. So Sexton and maybe a protected 1st for Ingram. I am not interested in turning Sexton into a mid first and lesser player. Move forward, not backward.

If Mobley is the pick, not Green, I am not interested in trading Sexton unless Ingram is the target.
 
Hope Sexton is traded on draft night, would be a good day.
What do you expect them to get if they do? I bet it is considered pretty weak if it happens, and is widely criticized as a bad decision. Sexton for all his faults is not the issue so much as ever changing line ups and high minutes of rookies. But thats how you tank and they have to have a fall guy smh
 
This is from a CAVS blog:

If you can't see it, it's a pic of Collin in a Knicks jersey. Usually you fantasize about a young and promising player on your own team; not fantasize about your own young, promising player being shipped to another team!

Granted, the podcast it is in reference to was not Sexton bashing really, but pictures speak louder than words (or something like that).

The flat out disrespect for Sexton from some in our own fanbase (subtle or otherwise) I have never quite seen before with any other player of his caliber.
 
This is from a CAVS blog:

If you can't see it, it's a pic of Collin in a Knicks jersey. Usually you fantasize about a young and promising player on your own team; not fantasize about your own young, promising player being shipped to another team!

Granted, the podcast it is in reference to was not Sexton bashing really, but pictures speak louder than words (or something like that).

The flat out disrespect for Sexton from some in our own fanbase (subtle or otherwise) I have never quite seen before with any other player of his caliber.
i think a major reason for this is it's hard for fans to imagine how a short combo guard can carry a team. there are very few precedents for this unlike 6'6 SGs, 6'8 SFs and 7 foot centers.
 
i think a major reason for this is it's hard for fans to imagine how a short combo guard can carry a team. there are very few precedents for this unlike 6'6 SGs, 6'8 SFs and 7 foot centers.
Apparently none of those fans have watched a Utah Jazz game.
 
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