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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
ESPN the jump show has Portland and Indiana as the most likely destinations for Simmons, although they have the Cavs as a tier one trade possibility. Just some general info.
 
I can't help with the feel but I sure do get a lot done on cocaine.
 
I also think he has to get better on Defense. The idea or messaging from the media that he is some kind of stopper is kind of insane. He tries hard but I don't think has the size to guard small forwards and seemed to slow to guard the better shooting guards. All metrics for his defensive ratings are very similar to Collin Sexton and Sexton is generally recognized as a poor defensive player.
I'd like to see those metrics.
 
I'd like to see those metrics.
By 538’s RAPTOR, Okoro was -1.3 on defense, which is more similar to Garland’s -1.5 than Sexton’s -2.9. So, not nearly as putrid as Sexton, but still bad. He ranked 189th out of 250 qualified players.

RAPTOR also had Okoro rated 242nd out of 250 as an overall player last year.

Most other metrics I’ve seen are similarly low on him. He was pretty terrible last year. You can dismiss it as a rookie being overexposed on a bad team, but results are results. I hope he can at least be a passable rotation player this year.
 
By 538’s RAPTOR, Okoro was -1.3 on defense, which is more similar to Garland’s -1.5 than Sexton’s -2.9. So, not nearly as putrid as Sexton, but still bad. He ranked 189th out of 250 qualified players.

RAPTOR also had Okoro rated 242nd out of 250 as an overall player last year.

Most other metrics I’ve seen are similarly low on him. He was pretty terrible last year. You can dismiss it as a rookie being overexposed on a bad team, but results are results. I hope he can at least be a passable rotation player this year.

All year stats don't make sense for rookies unless they are shot out of a cannon. Okoro noticeably improved over the course of the season
 
All year stats don't make sense for rookies unless they are shot out of a cannon. Okoro noticeably improved over the course of the season
Personally, I didn’t think he improved that much. My eyes agree with the numbers.

Rookies are usually bad though. So, I haven’t given up on him.
 
Okoro played way too many minutes for a rookie who is clearly a project.

Had he come off the bench for a better team his numbers would have been better IMHO.
 
By 538’s RAPTOR, Okoro was -1.3 on defense, which is more similar to Garland’s -1.5 than Sexton’s -2.9. So, not nearly as putrid as Sexton, but still bad. He ranked 189th out of 250 qualified players.

RAPTOR also had Okoro rated 242nd out of 250 as an overall player last year.

Most other metrics I’ve seen are similarly low on him. He was pretty terrible last year. You can dismiss it as a rookie being overexposed on a bad team, but results are results. I hope he can at least be a passable rotation player this year.
I believe two years ago Garland was the worst player in the NBA as a rookie.
 
The issue with defensive metrics is that they are notoriously noisy. It is really hard to separate a single players impact on defense relative to the entire team, which is much easier to do on offense. This is not to say that Sexton is actually a great defender or that the young guys can't improve, but given that our team on balance is really really bad on D, I would expect every individual Cavalier to have average at best defensive metrics.

A good example of this is a player like Jae Crowder, who is a net neutral to slightly positive defender. Depending on what team he is on, his defensive metrics paint him as a top 40 player (with Boston and Phx) or hot trash (with Cleveland and Memphis).

All this to say, we should be careful trying to extrapolate too much from defensive metrics as we really don't have any great ones at the moment. I am inclined to think something like BPM is the most coherent one we have, but I don't have any mathematical or statistical reasoning for that. Need to do more research.
 
The point is that rookie metrics mean fuck all, especially so for a guy with a raw offensive game, playing heavy minutes and drawing the toughest defensive assignments.

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Def rating over the season 119

Dec 111(2 games only)
Jan 117
Feb 122
Mar 114
Apr 118
May 126 (9 games only 1 win)

With 2 days rest 110

Wins 109
Losses 124

Yep. Check this out. He was much better with rest. He led the rookie class in minutes and we saw him cramp up before in overtime.

They were out of it and playing out the year most of May. February was the worst part of the year that 9 game road trip where they just got destroyed every night.

I'm not saying throw those data points out, but seeing it in context tells a different story than "he sucks as a defender".

I will believe the metrics on Okoro when they aren't so noisy and the team has better health.

Jae Crowder is in the 111 range which is not good, don't get me wrong, but both guys actually take on the best guy every night unlike a guy like Kawhi who takes dudes at the end of games or whatever.

Crowder had months of 114 and 118 as well. Your ass gets cooked when you take on the best scorers at 3 positions.

Okoro had notable defensive performances against Harden, Simmons, and Trae Young.
 
The point is that rookie metrics mean fuck all, especially so for a guy with a raw offensive game, playing heavy minutes and drawing the toughest defensive assignments.

:conf (11):
I don’t agree at all that they don’t mean anything.

The overwhelming majority of rookies are terrible NBA players. From there, some get better, and some don’t. Let’s hope our’s are the ones that get better.
 

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