Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Derek]

I’m disappointed at the lack of a meltdown over this

 

[Ozone]

I’m disappointed at the lack of a meltdown over this

that would only be appropriate if Sexton actually was what mystery scout claims lol
He aint

 

[LeeBuckeye]

 

[Heat Check]

Sexton may or may not be an asshole. Who knows. I do know, though, that the scout got one thing exactly right – he's a backup. We simply have to cut the mental cord that makes Sexton the default #1 option for this team. And the faster it's done, the better.

These microwave bench scorers are guys who don't really fit a team concept. You sub them in when your offense isn't getting it done and hope they immediately catch fire looking for their own shot. Then you sub them out when they start taking heat check threes from 40 feet.

There's nothing wrong with a role like that. It's a job, just like any other in the league. But you never make a microwave bench scorer your main guy. You don't fall into that trap.

 

[Derek]

From everything we’ve heard, Sexton isn’t an asshole. He’s just socially awkward.

It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he doesn’t have many close relationships on the team, but again, that doesn’t make him an a-hole.

 

[Cavatt]

Sexton may or may not be an asshole. Who knows. I do know, though, that the scout got one thing exactly right – he's a backup. We simply have to cut the mental cord that makes Sexton the default #1 option for this team. And the faster it's done, the better.

These microwave bench scorers are guys who don't really fit a team concept. You sub them in when your offense isn't getting it done and hope they immediately catch fire looking for their own shot. Then you sub them out when they start taking heat check threes from 40 feet.

There's nothing wrong with a role like that. It's a job, just like any other in the league. But you never make a microwave bench scorer your main guy. You don't fall into that trap.

Collin doesn't do that though. When he is not scoring well, he takes a backseat. He misses passes, but he does not freeze guys out or take the ball out of their hands. He averaged 57 passes a game last year.

I get the numbers on a bad team thing, but that comes with bad efficiency because "someone has to take the shots". Collin was scoring with good efficiency with THE worst spacing in the league. That is difficult even for a good player.

He was fitting in to the team offense and he and Garland both played well down the stretch and were the 2 best players on the team.

 

[ansatsusha80]

I don't know that Collin's an ass-hole.. seems extreme. Ball hog? Sure. I don't even think that Sexton goes in "trying to get his" as much as "feels most comfortable looking for his shot"
The Drummond take tells me he was reading the boxscores more than watching the games though. The Cavs "defense" with Drummond was more buoyed by having a healthy Larry Nance.

I don't think Collin is a ballhog. He's a ball-dominate guard but he's not a ballhog. Hell,he doesn't have the ball most of the time in his hands to be a ballhog.

Weird how that scout didn't realize the defense ruled with Nance in the lineup and sucked with just Drummond.

It was Okoro/Nance/Drummond that was generating so many deflections and steals. We are seeing something similar with Okoro/Mobley/Allen

100% agree

I think the defense can be better than last season...imo

It all falls in line with "experts" or "scouts" not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground. Sexton isn't without his faults but he's a good guy. The main guy who had issues with him shooting from what I could tell was Larry Nance Jr, who isn't around.

Of course,Collin has faults but people seems to talk about his all the time. While,ignoring everyone's faults.


For whatever reason,people has an issue with his dominate personality. There hasn't been one story about him cussing out the coaches or his teammates but people assume he's an asshole just because he's a ball-dominate guard.Maybe,I'm wrong.

I cant wait for all the complaints to pour in when Sexton gets paid more than they think he is worth and I also can't wait for him to earn it all season and shut them up.
I do however think there is a strong possibility they never agree before the season starts on his value.
I think he is traded at the deadline if they do not come to an agreement this week though, unless Garland gets injured or severely underperforms or something.

Like,I said yesterday,I can see it already...

 

[ansatsusha80]

Collin doesn't do that though. When he is not scoring well, he takes a backseat. He misses passes, but he does not freeze guys out or take the ball out of their hands. He averaged 57 passes a game last year.

I get the numbers on a bad team thing, but that comes with bad efficiency because "someone has to take the shots". Collin was scoring with good efficiency with THE worst spacing in the league. That is difficult even for a good player.

He was fitting in to the team offense and he and Garland both played well down the stretch and were the 2 best players on the team.

People ignore that he gave up the ball to Okoro and Garland were hot last season while getting his at the same time. Hell,Garland was the only player that was playing well outside of him consistently.

And,it's usually him that get freezes out by his teammates during clutch time.

 

[Heat Check]

For whatever reason,people has an issue with his dominate personality. There hasn't been one story about him cussing out the coaches or his teammates but people assume he's an asshole just because he's a ball-dominate guard.Maybe,I'm wrong.

It's about results.

If you have a very small shoot-first guard who dominates the ball and you win, great. By all means, keep doing it.

But if it doesn't work, that is literally the FIRST thing you change.

Guys like Sexton are popular among fans of bad rebuilding teams looking for signs of hope. They're cheap calories that taste good but end up being bad for you.

We suddenly have a very real chance to take the next step. Sexton can be a part of it but not in the role he's used to.

 

[Lumthemad]

The way Sexton interacts with reporters lets you know what kind of person he is. Also, I am pretty certain his parents would come up to Cleveland and KILL him if he wasn't being a fool.

And I disagree with Heat Check, as Sexton's stats just haven't been chuck good....they have been star good. I have seen enough bad basketball to know what a chucker looks like.

 

[ansatsusha80]

It's about results.

If you have a very small shoot-first guard who dominates the ball and you win, great. By all means, keep doing it.

But if it doesn't work, that is literally the FIRST thing you change.

Guys like Sexton are popular among fans of bad rebuilding teams looking for signs of hope. They're cheap calories that taste good but end up being bad for you.

We suddenly have a very real chance to take the next step. Sexton can be a part of it but not in the role he's used to.

Even,though this team had the worse spacing last season and he still dropped 24.3 ppg. You do know his primary job is to score and he does it very well.

 

[Heat Check]

You know, I don't think Sexton would have much of a market around the league at this point. That should tell you something. Nobody's looking to give a lot of money to a 6ft scorer who hasn't demonstrated the ability to play within a team concept on either side of the ball. In this league, that's a bench guy, as I said above.

The Cavs should be very careful not to end up bidding against themselves here. In my opinion this is a pretty critical point in time – you lay the groundwork for the team that will be led by Mobley in a few years. You don't need to muddy the waters by paying Sexton like a franchise dude.

 

[Ozone]

You know, I don't think Sexton would have much of a market around the league at this point. That should tell you something. Nobody's looking to give a lot of money to a 6ft scorer who hasn't demonstrated the ability to play within a team concept on either side of the ball. In this league, that's a bench guy, as I said above.

The Cavs should be very careful not to end up bidding against themselves here. In my opinion this is a pretty critical point in time – you lay the groundwork for the team that will be led by Mobley in a few years. You don't need to muddy the waters by paying Sexton like a franchise dude.

No, If Sexton and Garland had better teammates around them or at least healthy ones which they should have this season, we can make good judgements on them as players in the mix with Mobley long term. Right now what you are claiming Sexton is, makes him by default a starting guard next to Rubio on this roster and forces Garland and Okoro to the bench. You cannot have a passive playmaker like Garland running your team or playing off ball next to RR regardless of how short your sg is if he is getting buckets when nobody else can.
What needs to happen is Garland needs to earn the starting pg job, and then by doing so will open up Sextons game. We have yet to see much of Garland or Sextons expanded role with good teammates. I see a kid in Sexton playing out of position in many cases and always getting double teamed thanks to bashful back court pairings but most of it having to do with no spacing at all. I mean few others besides Cedi going yolo willing to take responsibility to score. That does not equate to said player being limited to hunting shots but that was his role the past few seasons and he could have scored 40 a game with better teammates. But he is more than a microwave already seen whenever Garland or Delly or whomever you want to plug in was not playing , and even if that is all he has proved to be for the most part to those outside the know, you will see it on his next team, assuming he doesn't get the chance to prove it here. They should pay him just short of a max and anything less he makes them regret it forever.

 

[Futuredome]

No, If Sexton and Garland had better teammates around them or at least healthy ones which they should have this season, we can make good judgements on them as players in the mix with Mobley long term. Right now what you are claiming Sexton is, makes him by default a starting guard next to Rubio on this roster and forces Garland and Okoro to the bench. You cannot have a passive playmaker like Garland running your team or playing off ball next to RR regardless of how short your sg is if he is getting buckets when nobody else can.
What needs to happen is Garland needs to earn the starting pg job, and then by doing so will open up Sextons game. We have yet to see much of Garland or Sextons expanded role with good teammates. I see a kid in Sexton playing out of position in many cases and always getting double teamed thanks to bashful back court pairings but most of it having to do with no spacing at all. I mean few others besides Cedi going yolo willing to take responsibility to score. That does not equate to said player being limited to hunting shots but that was his role the past few seasons and he could have scored 40 a game with better teammates. But he is more than a microwave already seen whenever Garland or Delly or whomever you want to plug in was not playing , and even if that is all he has proved to be for the most part to those outside the know, you will see it on his next team, assuming he doesn't get the chance to prove it here. They should pay him just short of a max and anything less he makes them regret it forever.

Rubio is a passive playmaker. Its part of the reason he ended up a bust from his hype. Garland on the other hand is very unpassive about his playmaking, to fault. Its his shooting that is passive. Not your best effort.

 

[sailfish]

You know, I don't think Sexton would have much of a market around the league at this point. That should tell you something. Nobody's looking to give a lot of money to a 6ft scorer who hasn't demonstrated the ability to play within a team concept on either side of the ball. In this league, that's a bench guy, as I said above.

The Cavs should be very careful not to end up bidding against themselves here. In my opinion this is a pretty critical point in time – you lay the groundwork for the team that will be led by Mobley in a few years. You don't need to muddy the waters by paying Sexton like a franchise dude.

You could say the same thing about SGA, DeAaron Fox, Zach LaVine, & others. Same for Kyrie before LeBron returned to Cleveland. Point is, you can’t necessarily blame one player for a team’s losing