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Sexton was off to a pretty bad start this year and I wouldn't be surprised if that was gonna continue due to the rule changes. He wasn't getting nearly the same.amount of bailout calls he was getting at the end of last year and his efficiency was way down because of it.

I also think the way JBB limited Sexton with a green light at the beginning and the end of the shot clock also messed up his efficiency. I think it had more to do with how he was playing than the rule changes. He only really started to gets calls in the second half of last season so I think he would have been able to adjust if that was the only thing going against him.

The poor play really hit him once he told the media when in the shot clock JBB had restrictions on him. Unfortunately the shoulder injury also was about that same time.
 

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Collin was averaging 20 pts per game this year untill the last 2 games and if his shoulder and knee did not sideline him .he would have been ok i do not understand the dislike on this board about a player who is a upright person who gives his all when playing does not cause any outside promblem . you should be proud of him instead of allways trying to tear him down.
 

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I also think the way JBB limited Sexton with a green light at the beginning and the end of the shot clock also messed up his efficiency. I think it had more to do with how he was playing than the rule changes. He only really started to gets calls in the second half of last season so I think he would have been able to adjust if that was the only thing going against him.

The poor play really hit him once he told the media when in the shot clock JBB had restrictions on him. Unfortunately the shoulder injury also was about that same time.
I think those “restrictions” are a big nothingburger.

Those “restrictions” are simply how teams play winning basketball.
 

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I think those “restrictions” are a big nothingburger.

Those “restrictions” are simply how teams play winning basketball.

I'm not sure how many teams restrict their leading scorer to the first 6 seconds of the shot clock and last 4 seconds. It definitely had an effect on how he was playing.

I understand it was trying to make Sexton play more team ball and to have the team play fast. I also think if there are potential coaching candidates in the future they will use it as a jumping off of how they would have adjust the offense and integrated everyone. I'm a more offensive minded coach would have more effective ways to get their players to play within their offense.
 

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I'm not sure how many teams restrict their leading scorer to the first 6 seconds of the shot clock and last 4 seconds. It definitely had an effect on how he was playing.

I understand it was trying to make Sexton play more team ball and to have the team play fast. I also think if there are potential coaching candidates in the future they will use it as a jumping off of how they would have adjust the offense and integrated everyone. I'm a more offensive minded coach would have more effective ways to get their players to play within their offense.
All they were telling him was that he was allowed to freelance early and late in the clock and that anything in between should be within the flow of something. That’s how good teams play.

He got great looks, he was just in a shooting slump before his injury.
 

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All they were telling him was that he was allowed to freelance early and late in the clock and that anything in between should be within the flow of something. That’s how good teams play.

He got great looks, he was just in a shooting slump before his injury.

I think he got good looks at the beginning of the shot clock. It made the team play faster. The end of the shot clock lead to lot of last second dump offs to him to try to make something out of nothing. The shots clearly got worse when team knew that's what the cavs were doing.

Others had pointed out that he was definitely second guessing himself during that middle ground if it was a good enough shot or not. For a player that is known for liking to go over film, I'm sure they could have spent time with him and cleared up good shots from bad shots with in the flow instead of just putting a time restrictions against the shot clock on him.
 

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I think he got good looks at the beginning of the shot clock. It made the team play faster. The end of the shot clock lead to lot of last second dump offs to him to try to make something out of nothing. The shots clearly got worse when team knew that's what the cavs were doing.

Others had pointed out that he was definitely second guessing himself during that middle ground if it was a good enough shot or not. For a player that is known for liking to go over film, I'm sure they could have spent time with him and cleared up good shots from bad shots with in the flow instead of just putting a time restrictions against the shot clock on him.
It’s human nature to look for a reason, but in reality it was just a shooting slump over a small number of games.
 

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It’s human nature to look for a reason, but in reality it was just a shooting slump over a small number of games.

Sexton is able to score on all 3 levels but his effective shots in very specific areas. I pointed this out during his slump, he had gone from dictating where his shots where going to be taken to other dictating where his open shots were coming from.

I actually think some of this is a bigger problem with JBB and the coaching staff. It's not just about getting guys open shots but getting them open shots in places they are effective at scoring at. I think too often guys are taking shots from areas they aren't actually effective shooting from. When I look at shot charts that seems to back up that they aren't positioning players where they should be in sets. Sexton might have a better understanding than JBB where he is actually effective shooting from.
 

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Sexton is able to score on all 3 levels but his effective shots in very specific areas. I pointed this out during his slump, he had gone from dictating where his shots where going to be taken to other dictating where his open shots were coming from.

I actually think some of this is a bigger problem with JBB and the coaching staff. It's not just about getting guys open shots but getting them open shots in places they are effective at scoring at. I think too often guys are taking shots from areas they aren't actually effective shooting from. When I look at shot charts that seems to back up that they aren't positioning players where they should be in sets. Sexton might have a better understanding than JBB where he is actually effective shooting from.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because all I saw was a guy in a shooting slump. He was getting some of the highest quality looks of his career.

Even his FT% was down significantly.
 

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All they were telling him was that he was allowed to freelance early and late in the clock and that anything in between should be within the flow of something. That’s how good teams play.

He got great looks, he was just in a shooting slump before his injury.
He was above 50% for the season (43-82, 52.4%) until he got mauled in the shoulder in the Lakers game and he struggled after that (25-69, 36.2%) so it's pretty clear he wasn't slumping or struggling with the rules, rather he was hurt as some of us pointed out when it happened.
He also suffered through what appeared to be a planned "get the ball to Colin to throw up a prayer" strategy when the shot clock was low. I saw him forced to throw up 8-10 prayers when he got the ball late in the clock because no one else was willing to shoot. The one good thing about his injury if he comes back healthy is it will force others to learn to play a more offensive role instead of counting on Sexton to bail them out.
 
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The Sexton contract situation is going to be a puzzle all season and offseason.

I'm hopeful that the Cavs will be able to bring him back on the cheaper end of the spectrum now, but Sexton seems like the type to "bet on himself" and just outright sign the QO if he and the Cavs can't come to terms he likes.

I'd see if you can't lock him up for 15 a year or so. 4 years 60-65 million could provide the security that a guy coming off season-ending surgery won't get on the open market.
 

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The Sexton contract situation is going to be a puzzle all season and offseason.

I'm hopeful that the Cavs will be able to bring him back on the cheaper end of the spectrum now, but Sexton seems like the type to "bet on himself" and just outright sign the QO if he and the Cavs can't come to terms he likes.

I'd see if you can't lock him up for 15 a year or so. 4 years 60-65 million could provide the security that a guy coming off season-ending surgery won't get on the open market.
I'd be shocked if they could get him that cheaply.
 

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It’s deal like Allen’s out of the waiting for him? Too much?
 

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