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Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Yeah Sexton being traded for another scorer at the deadline would not surprise me. He has sorta ran his course here. Especially the way the FO and Frobley love Garland.
Sexton is our best trade asset & this season has certainly shown that he’s expendable.
 
Any teams that you know of league wide who like Collin and might want to get his bird rights and RFA rights, somewhat in a similar manner to what we did with JA?

That said, I'm also ok with the idea of bringing him back and continuing to define his role, which I do see now as a 6th man.

Not 100% sure, i do think its less likely anyone would move before the summer given hes out for the season. They'd be more likely to pursue a S&T this summer
 
Not 100% sure, i do think its less likely anyone would move before the summer given hes out for the season. They'd be more likely to pursue a S&T this summer
If I'm a team that already likes him va 3-4 years of scouting his college and NBA play, I'd actually see the advantage in getting him now.
A: The trade cost isn't going to be that high
B: Your own medical staff and trainer take over his rehab so you have 100% solid info on where he is in that come FA
C: You can let his FA market be dry/slow and then offer him something that is far more fair to the team

I guess I'm just projecting, but I assume/see OKC as seeing him as a great fit. They have great playmaking length with Giddey and SGA. So it's less of a concern for them to bring in one super sub scorer who isn't tall/long as any combo they use with him on the court won't pair him up with another short guard on defense. On top of that, they literally have more draft picks(both firsts and seconds) then they can possibly keep on a roster. So I could see them easily being willing to put together a package of picks(not the premium ones of course) but 1-2 of the ones that project to be late teens/early 20's + 1-2 2nds.

If the Cavs are confident that Rubio has interest now in re-signing, I am fully willing to consider moving Collin for a few picks that can either be used in the future by us or that can add the the versatility of the trade packages we can offer other teams in our quest to complete a great roster around Mobley.
 
When has he proven he can score efficiently on low volume?
last season, he was 16th in the league in shots attempted with 52% efficiency on 2pt percentage. an efficiency that is at par with donovan mitchell, jason tatum, d'aaron fox and bradley beal, all of them attempting more shots than him. this season, he is way down on the list at 13 shots per game on 48.6% efficiency on 2pt percentage, all the while adjusting to a new role and offensive scheme.

i don't think you can just accuse him of being inefficient. his usage rate is high, but his shot attempts isn't that high.
 
Sexton is our best trade asset & this season has certainly shown that he’s expendable.
Cavs pick is probably best asset (unprotected, and dealt soon before it becomes apparent we will be out of the lottery) Nobody is giving up much for an out for the year Collin.
 
last season, he was 16th in the league in shots attempted with 52% efficiency on 2pt percentage. an efficiency that is at par with donovan mitchell, jason tatum, d'aaron fox and bradley beal, all of them attempting more shots than him. this season, he is way down on the list at 13 shots per game on 48.6% efficiency on 2pt percentage, all the while adjusting to a new role and offensive scheme.

i don't think you can just accuse him of being inefficient. his usage rate is high, but his shot attempts isn't that high.

The efficiency wasn't the question, the low volume was. Collin has always been able to score; that's not my concern with him. His ability to score while not cannibalizing the offense is what I've always found issue with him on. He doesn't score in the flow, or just when the team is stalled. He causes too many stalls by his forced gravity. Until I see him do otherwise, that's my opinion on him; which is why people think he's best as 6th man.
 
The efficiency wasn't the question, the low volume was. Collin has always been able to score; that's not my concern with him. His ability to score while not cannibalizing the offense is what I've always found issue with him on. He doesn't score in the flow, or just when the team is stalled. He causes too many stalls by his forced gravity. Until I see him do otherwise, that's my opinion on him; which is why people think he's best as 6th man.
i think the issue was settled that once he is firmly an SG in the line up, it works better for him and the team. this happened last season when garland was playing well and when the ghost of delly was able to play. he was proving it early in the season when he was scoring on leak outs, cuts and on end of shot clock situations.

i understand your hesitancy based on the small sample size, but also understand he was doing what the team needs him to do without any bickering or pouting. and that to me is a bigger indicator on him accepting a reduced usage rate while still getting quality shots.
 
i think the issue was settled that once he is firmly an SG in the line up, it works better for him and the team. this happened last season when garland was playing well and when the ghost of delly was able to play. he was proving it early in the season when he was scoring on leak outs, cuts and on end of shot clock situations.

i understand your hesitancy based on the small sample size, but also understand he was doing what the team needs him to do without any bickering or pouting. and that to me is a bigger indicator on him accepting a reduced usage rate while still getting quality shots.

Him working "well" with Delly supports my thought that he needs to come off the bench. Collin as 6th man (with corresponding salary) I have no issue with. Collin's personality/character/passion/etc I *love*...it's his basketball IQ and self-awareness that drives me nuts (both much like Westbrook in the love-hate department).
 
Cavs pick is probably best asset (unprotected, and dealt soon before it becomes apparent we will be out of the lottery) Nobody is giving up much for an out for the year Collin.
Generally, I'm not a fan of trading first round picks, especially unprotected ones. However, it's become clear to me that this is a playoff team and we're likely to be picking in the 15-20 range of the draft, anyways. So, parting with that pick, if it brought back a nice return wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

I think Sexton may have some value closer to the trade deadline, from a team that wants to get his Bird rights. Keep an eye on the Knicks, Pacers, & Pelicans.
 
Just because the Cavs pick later doesn't mean they won't get a solid player with that pick, and most importantly, will have control of that player for the next 7+ years.

I'm only trading that pick if a young star becomes available and the Cavs can somehow land him. Otherwise, this upcoming draft is monumental, and I want as much ammo for it as possible.
 
Nobody is going to trade for Collin. I don't see a shake up trade happening unless Love or Rubio go out. Doesn't seem likely now unless one of them asks for a trade
 
Just because the Cavs pick later doesn't mean they won't get a solid player with that pick, and most importantly, will have control of that player for the next 7+ years.

I'm only trading that pick if a young star becomes available and the Cavs can somehow land him. Otherwise, this upcoming draft is monumental, and I want as much ammo for it as possible.
The draft is a crapshoot, anyways, but it’s really a crapshoot once you get outside the lottery.
 
If I'm a team that already likes him va 3-4 years of scouting his college and NBA play, I'd actually see the advantage in getting him now.
A: The trade cost isn't going to be that high
B: Your own medical staff and trainer take over his rehab so you have 100% solid info on where he is in that come FA
C: You can let his FA market be dry/slow and then offer him something that is far more fair to the team

I guess I'm just projecting, but I assume/see OKC as seeing him as a great fit. They have great playmaking length with Giddey and SGA. So it's less of a concern for them to bring in one super sub scorer who isn't tall/long as any combo they use with him on the court won't pair him up with another short guard on defense. On top of that, they literally have more draft picks(both firsts and seconds) then they can possibly keep on a roster. So I could see them easily being willing to put together a package of picks(not the premium ones of course) but 1-2 of the ones that project to be late teens/early 20's + 1-2 2nds.

If the Cavs are confident that Rubio has interest now in re-signing, I am fully willing to consider moving Collin for a few picks that can either be used in the future by us or that can add the the versatility of the trade packages we can offer other teams in our quest to complete a great roster around Mobley.
There are basically three markets for Sexton at this point:

(1) Teams like the Mavs, Knicks, and Sixers who are capped out, would have real difficultly in clearing the cap space, and would be better served by acquiring his Bird Rights now. The Pistons are a threat to present an offer sheet the Cavs won't match, and at that point, teams who want to engage in a S&T get shut out because it's already a done deal. Also, those teams can't trade their 2022 1st round picks for Sexton after the deadline. They'd have to draft for the Cavs, immediately sign their players, then wait 60 days to execute a S&T (e.g., Wiggins for Love). This is risky for the team doing the drafting because a lot can happen in that 60 day window.

(2) Teams who only want Sexton at the right price next summer. I'm skeptical that he has enough trade value in this scenario to make it worth it for the Cavs. We're talking 6th man money ($10-16M per), and if that's the offer, you'll be lucky to get a late first not to match. Maybe a team like Memphis offers to send a player like Brooks back for matching purposes.

(3) Teams that are effectively out on Sexton for anything other than a one-year prove-it deal.

So long as the Pistons don't trade away their future space for assets before the deadline, there's still a chance that he could get a real offer this summer. But if they do, then I think his trade value might even go up a little to the teams in the first category as Sexton on a reasonable contract obviously has more trade value than Sexton on the type of deal he turned down.
 

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