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Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Why do people keep claiming the Cavs have been better without Collin. Fake News.

Record with Sexton: 7-4 (.636)
Record w/o Sexton: 20-14 (.588)

Is it this "new math" stuff that has led to your incorrect conclusion?
 
Why do people keep claiming the Cavs have been better without Collin. Fake News.

Record with Sexton: 7-4 (.636)
Record w/o Sexton: 20-14 (.588)

Is it this "new math" stuff that has led to your incorrect conclusion?

He was really good taking advantage of stops to get easy baskets. He was even struggling with his shot.
 
You offer him the exact same contract that he turned down. His circumstances have changed and he should value that. If he decides to try for more, you let him walk.

I think you can give him a Lebron like Deal. Offer 3 years at $60 million and he can walk after one year. If he puts up All-Star numbers and feels that he can get more money in the open market, good for him. If he plays down or doesn't help the team improve, he is a good trading chip with a reasonable cap number for many teams for the 2023 season.
 
You offer him the exact same contract that he turned down. His circumstances have changed and he should value that. If he decides to try for more, you let him walk.
can't let Collin walk, have to work at least a S&T. Don't know what the offer was, I felt like it was 80m/4? I think in an ideal hierarchy of contracts he'd slot after Lauri, below Allen.
I think you can give him a Lebron like Deal. Offer 3 years at $60 million and he can walk after one year. If he puts up All-Star numbers and feels that he can get more money in the open market, good for him. If he plays down or doesn't help the team improve, he is a good trading chip with a reasonable cap number for many teams for the 2023 season.
I wouldn't do that, small market teams need contract controls on some level.
 
I wouldn't do that, small market teams need contract controls on some level.

I think it's a best case scenario for both parties involved. It gives him a sense of protection in case he doesn't rebound to all star like levels. Cavs don't want to be stuck with a hefty salary that can't be moved if he doesn't mesh well with the team.
 
You offer him the exact same contract that he turned down. His circumstances have changed and he should value that. If he decides to try for more, you let him walk.
This is a bad idea for three reasons: (1) There's simply no evidence that there's another team is presently willing to offer him that much money. (2) There's good reason to believe Sexton won't be worth $20M per given his likely role on the Cavs. (3) You don't want to set the precedent for your other young players, and their agents, that they can gamble, lose, and still get the same offer later. The next time the Cavs plop $100M offer on the table for a guy isn't a clear max player, he should be fully incentivized to take it.

For everyone who isn't a no-brainer max player, the risk of injury is priced into extensions. If the player accepts the extension offer, the team bears the risk of the player getting hurt (see, e.g., Love & AV). If the player turns down the extension offer, the player bears the risk (see, e.g. Dipo & Sexton). If a non-max player, or his agent, doesn't want to take a slight discount to insure against the risk of injury, that's his right. But if it blows up on you, it blows up on you.
 
What do people think he deserves as a contract? I think he is better than Lauri, so I would offer more than 16 and less than 20. Cavs will want 4 years.

27M is an absolute max he can be offered on the free market by the spurs which I would not expect. They have guys that fulfill Sexton's role already.

Pistons and OKC I feel like would need to offer 21+ to get him. I think Cavs would match what they offered last offseason to keep him.
 
What do people think he deserves as a contract? I think he is better than Lauri, so I would offer more than 16 and less than 20. Cavs will want 4 years.
Being "better" in some vacuum-like situation doesn't really mean anything. Sexton's (possible) future with the Cavs is inevitably that of a role player. If you have the type of game that doesn't allow you to mesh well with the core of the team, why would you get paid more than someone who fits well? While probably coming off the bench?

Whatever happens, Sexton's days as a "star" on this team are over. I think he must know that. And that's why he's gone.
 
He will find a team to sign with in the summer then a S&T will happen. There is not enough room for Collin anymore. He would have to take a reduced roll and he simply isn't going to do that. The Cavs won't pay him 20 million either for that role.
 
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What do people think he deserves as a contract? I think he is better than Lauri, so I would offer more than 16 and less than 20. Cavs will want 4 years.

27M is an absolute max he can be offered on the free market by the spurs which I would not expect. They have guys that fulfill Sexton's role already.

Pistons and OKC I feel like would need to offer 21+ to get him. I think Cavs would match what they offered last offseason to keep him.
I think CavsKermit thinks he's worth about $2 million per year, because the team has been better without him, even though they really haven't.

I think $18-20 million per year is about right, and that they should offer whatever they had on the table in July, as long as it appears at the time that he's on track for a full recovery. That's what classy, winning organizations do, so this is the right move here. I think Collin would jump at that offer, and be as motivated as ever to take his game to the next level.
 
I think CavsKermit thinks he's worth about $2 million per year, because the team has been better without him, even though they really haven't.

I think $18-20 million per year is about right, and that they should offer whatever they had on the table in July, as long as it appears at the time that he's on track for a full recovery. That's what classy, winning organizations do, so this is the right move here. I think Collin would jump at that offer, and be as motivated as ever to take his game to the next level.

They should be able to see him before the contract comes due. I don't agree with people saying he can't have a big role on the team. We need someone who can get their own shot and handle the ball. Would i prefer he was 6'7"? Yeah I would. Still his inability to play nicely with others has been overblown and he procides the things the team needs even if it is not in their preferred package.

I think he is still a very good player and better than what we can get on the free market by far. IF we can get an awesome better fitting player that can do what he does, I am all for it. Sexton is the best scorer on the team though and pretending an anemic offense can't use another catch and shoot player who can break the defense without a screen is misguided.
 
I would like to get him for something in the 18-20m per year range. He would become one of the best 6th men in the game right off the bat, essentially in the Manu role. Im thinking something similar to the deal that EG got with NOH after the CP3 trade. You would have to scale up for inflation, but I think that puts you right in that spot.

I actually think there is a lot of incentive to bring Collin back from a culture perspective as he was the guy who really set the tone in the first place and the Cavs have had a reputation of being a very player friendly team. We aren't going to Boston it and trade guys the day after their grandma/sister died without warning. If Collin wants out, I am sure Koby would work out an S&T. I doubt it tho, everything seems to indicate Collin loves it in Cleveland and will want to come back.
 
The only part of this that I don’t like is the notion they play a lot better without him. We didn’t have enough of a sample to see how they would look with him. At the time, he and DG we’re figuring it out on the court, and when and how they would defer to each other.
We don’t have to paint Sext as a bad guy. It can work with him- he’s a team guy and tireless worker. There’s really no evidence to the contrary. He was deferring as his efficiency was up and shots were down. He’s just not a 20-25M dollar guy. And that’s ok.
Sure, the Cavs are playing much better this year without him than they did at any point with him before this season. But what I'd freaking give to have him back healthy with this team right now...

In many ways, Collin fits the profile of what type of players we have been rumored to be interested in -- an off-the-ball guard that can get buckets and space the floor. The Cavs playing better after his injury hardly means that the Cavs wouldn't be even better with him back in the fold.

A guy like Levert will make almost $19 mil next year and a 33-year-old Gordon will be making almost $20 mil next season. Both those guys will likely cost us at least our 2022 FRP. Sexton doesn't necessarily stack up to those guys in every facet of his game, but at the same time, there are things that Collin can do that those other guys can't.

If we retain Sexton for any realistic figure, that means we aren't going to ever bother trying to create enough cap room to go big game fishing in FA. In that case, I'm fine making a good-faith offer of whatever deal we had on the table last offseason. Hate the agents all you want, but there is value in garnering some good will with them, and if all it costs is some of Dan's money, I'm more than fine with it.

It reminds me of the Jarrett Allen negotiations -- I thought we could've played hardball and gotten him for like $18 mil AAV, but instead we made him a healthy offer in good faith, and JA seems to absolutely love being a Cavalier.
 
Sure, the Cavs are playing much better this year without him than they did at any point with him before this season. But what I'd freaking give to have him back healthy with this team right now...

In many ways, Collin fits the profile of what type of players we have been rumored to be interested in -- an off-the-ball guard that can get buckets and space the floor. The Cavs playing better after his injury hardly means that the Cavs wouldn't be even better with him back in the fold.

A guy like Levert will make almost $19 mil next year and a 33-year-old Gordon will be making almost $20 mil next season. Both those guys will likely cost us at least our 2022 FRP. Sexton doesn't necessarily stack up to those guys in every facet of his game, but at the same time, there are things that Collin can do that those other guys can't.

If we retain Sexton for any realistic figure, that means we aren't going to ever bother trying to create enough cap room to go big game fishing in FA. In that case, I'm fine making a good-faith offer of whatever deal we had on the table last offseason. Hate the agents all you want, but there is value in garnering some good will with them, and if all it costs is some of Dan's money, I'm more than fine with it.

It reminds me of the Jarrett Allen negotiations -- I thought we could've played hardball and gotten him for like $18 mil AAV, but instead we made him a healthy offer in good faith, and JA seems to absolutely love being a Cavalier.

But he is literally just Monta Ellis. We should let him walk so we can replace him with Kevin Pagnos
 

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