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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Derek said:
We were the worst offensive team, in part, because Sexton was being given PG duties, and he was so bad at it.

He’s ok as a secondary creator though. Could be a good cog in our offense for sure.
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i love him off the bench....split between the one and two....i know a lot of people here disagree with me on my cavs ranking but i dont give cleveland much of a chance at 1-4 without colin or someone similar....i have him at 16/game....30 minutes.... on the same efficiency
 
gambler said:
i love him off the bench....split between the one and two....i know a lot of people here disagree with me on my cavs ranking but i dont give cleveland much of a chance at 1-4 without colin or someone similar....i have him at 16/game....30 minutes.... on the same efficiency
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I don’t think Sexton has much bearing at all on our chances of being a top 4 seed, and assuming he does return, he won’t (and shouldn’t) get any reps at PG.

Our chances of making a jump to the top teams this year rests in the development of Evan Mobley.
 
CavsKermit said:
Sexton was the main reason the offense was so bad. Any coach other than Beilein would have shut down the Sexton/TT buddy ball routine after a couple of quarters. Beilein allowed it to go on until he was shown the door after half a season of the Cavs getting run out of gym. It barely resembled a professional offense.
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Good PG play is important. When your PG doesn't get the offense moving, it's like the team is playing with a 10 second shot clock when the other team has the usual 24.

Cavs tried to replace the "old NBA hand" Larry Drew with a "Player Development" head coach in Beilein for Colin's second year, but it failed spectacularly:

Beyond his meticulous focus on rudimentary basketball fundamentals, which NBA players have little patience for in-season, players roll their eyes at things like the terminology Beilein brought to the Cavs. For instance, all of the team’s screens, cuts, and pivots are named after wild animals. A curl is a “polar bear” in Beilein’s system. ​

Yikes.

Players that stick around in the NBA usually keep growing their Point skills for their first 5-6 years. There's a legit argument that 4 coaches in three years, bad teams, and the ACL injury have Collin 1-2 years behind where he could have been. I mean he doesn't look like a PG to me, and 1-2 years might not have moved him forward that much, but I'll admit that Collin had some obstacles to becoming a legit PG in his first 4 seasons. He didn't over come them, but it still seems like Collin deserves another chance to show where he's at these days. But it should be off the bench against second units and should come with a short leash.

More importantly he needs to improve on the defensive end. That's likely going to be a big challenge as well.
 
Derek said:
I don’t think Sexton has much bearing at all on our chances of being a top 4 seed, and assuming he does return, he won’t (and shouldn’t) get any reps at PG.

Our chances of making a jump to the top teams this year rests in the development of Evan Mobley.
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sexton does not have to be elite or an a level combo guard .....he just has to be better than all the other opposing 1 and 2s coming off the bench ...cant wait for the first heat game....sexton/herro.....after that game.... thats when collins 6th man price goes from 32/1 to 10/1...if its already not there beforehand
 
Douglar said:
Good PG play is important. When your PG doesn't get the offense moving, it's like the team is playing with a 10 second shot clock when the other team has the usual 24.

Cavs tried to replace the "old NBA hand" Larry Drew with a "Player Development" head coach in Beilein for Colin's second year, but it failed spectacularly:

Beyond his meticulous focus on rudimentary basketball fundamentals, which NBA players have little patience for in-season, players roll their eyes at things like the terminology Beilein brought to the Cavs. For instance, all of the team’s screens, cuts, and pivots are named after wild animals. A curl is a “polar bear” in Beilein’s system. ​

Yikes.

Players that stick around in the NBA usually keep growing their Point skills for their first 5-6 years. There's a legit argument that 4 coaches in three years, bad teams, and the ACL injury have Collin 1-2 years behind where he could have been. I mean he doesn't look like a PG to me, and 1-2 years might not have moved him forward that much, but I'll admit that Collin had some obstacles to becoming a legit PG in his first 4 seasons. He didn't over come them, but it still seems like Collin deserves another chance to show where he's at these days. But it should be off the bench against second units and should come with a short leash.

More importantly he needs to improve on the defensive end. That's likely going to be a big challenge as well.
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There's only so much I'm willing to lay off on coaching here. Beilein was truly awful, but one of the reasons he was so bad was that he let Sexton do whatever he wanted on a team that was flat out awful with Sexton doing whatever he wanted. You could see Love getting ready to blow a gasket for weeks before it finally happened.

The truth is that with good coaching, and a hands off approach from the front office, Sexton would've gotten benched a lot more his first three seasons in the NBA. You shouldn't be learning that defense is half the game, or that your teammates need to eat, or that the bail out pass to TT in a crowded paint is a bad play (that shouldn't happen eight times a game), after you've arrived in the NBA. Beilein aside, Sexton's advocates ask me to believe that it never occurred to Drew, Bickerstaff, any of the Cavs assistants, any of his teammates, or his high school/college coaches that Sexton needed real work on a multitude of aspects of his game. I don't believe that. I believe that Sexton drove and shot a lot because he wanted to do so, and that he didn't work on his defense, getting his teammates the ball, or running anything resembling an NBA offense because he didn't want to do so. Sexton didn't take more three point shots because he didn't want to. There were too many times where he'd allow his defender to recover so he could drive on him.

Do I think that Sexton has natural PG limitations resulting from his floor vision and the speed at which he plays? Yes. Do I think that was the only thing stopping him from being a net positive on the court? No. The irony is that he played to get paid and by doing so he damaged his market value because the NBA is a more sophisticated league than when Jabari Parker authored his favorite quote.
 
CavsKermit said:
There's only so much I'm willing to lay off on coaching here. Beilein was truly awful, but one of the reasons he was so bad was that he let Sexton do whatever he wanted on a team that was flat out awful with Sexton doing whatever he wanted. You could see Love getting ready to blow a gasket for weeks before it finally happened.

The truth is that with good coaching, and a hands off approach from the front office, Sexton would've gotten benched a lot more his first three seasons in the NBA. You shouldn't be learning that defense is half the game, or that your teammates need to eat, or that the bail out pass to TT in a crowded paint is a bad play (that shouldn't happen eight times a game), after you've arrived in the NBA. Beilein aside, Sexton's advocates ask me to believe that it never occurred to Drew, Bickerstaff, any of the Cavs assistants, any of his teammates, or his high school/college coaches that Sexton needed real work on a multitude of aspects of his game. I don't believe that. I believe that Sexton drove and shot a lot because he wanted to do so, and that he didn't work on his defense, getting his teammates the ball, or running anything resembling an NBA offense because he didn't want to do so. Sexton didn't take more three point shots because he didn't want to. There were too many times where he'd allow his defender to recover so he could drive on him.

Do I think that Sexton has natural PG limitations resulting from his floor vision and the speed at which he plays? Yes. Do I think that was the only thing stopping him from being a net positive on the court? No. The irony is that he played to get paid and by doing so he damaged his market value because the NBA is a more sophisticated league than when Jabari Parker authored his favorite quote.
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Wait! What quote was that? ;)
 
This list is like the "But does he really help you win tho?" All Stars.

Another common denominator: none of these guys play any defense.

 
Heat Check said:
This list is like the "But does he really help you win tho?" All Stars.

Another common denominator: none of these guys play any defense.

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It's weird to even include an RFA on that list with other players -- it's a totally different set of negotiations.
 
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