Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[inliner311]

I agree with your point about finding quality back PGs but I think our roster with the 2-3 young ballhandlers could really use a vet who backs them and provides a safety net. It would be a better addition imo than another youngster who we'd need to develop and not be able to rely on the same way.

Delly and TJ McConnel seem to come in and be able to run a NBA offense right out the gate. There are guys like that in every draft or even undrafted like they were. They just have limited upside so team pass them over. The NBA draft is so much about upside that there is unfound value to be had with these types of guys.

If we are going to sign McConnel or Carsuo, I worry we will have to use the whole MLE and it will have to be for 3 or 4 years. I feel like it's only a position of true need for 1 or 2 years.

It's like Delly getting overpaid by the Bucks and they didn't need him after the 1st year. They drafted a tall PG in the early 2nd round in Brogdon and didn't need Delly.

I think this draft is rip for the picking of 6'5+ PGs that are upperclassmen so should be better developed and more ready out of the gate but might have some better long term upside than McConnel or Carsuo.

 

[Ozone]

RE Game 7: The paint would be so packed in the playoffs Sexton would have a vastly tougher time "getting his"

He's an outstanding scorer, but the question becomes is he truly more valuable than say, Jordan Clarkson...

I don't disagree with out more spacing the paint will continue to be jammed up. But its been that way for the majority of the past 3 seasons. So your take is half truth, and your clearly not seeing that the issue falls away once the team gets better around him.

 

[Muffinalt]

Delly and TJ McConnel seem to come in and be able to run a NBA offense right out the gate. There are guys like that in every draft or even undrafted like they were. They just have limited upside so team pass them over. The NBA draft is so much about upside that there is unfound value to be had with these types of guys.

If we are going to sign McConnel or Carsuo, I worry we will have to use the whole MLE and it will have to be for 3 or 4 years. I feel like it's only a position of true need for 1 or 2 years.

It's like Delly getting overpaid by the Bucks and they didn't need him after the 1st year. They drafted a tall PG in the early 2nd round in Brogdon and didn't need Delly.

I think this draft is rip for the picking of 6'5+ PGs that are upperclassmen so should be better developed and more ready out of the gate but might have some better long term upside than McConnel or Carsuo.

You being up pretty solid reasons to be honest. It's true that we could be in a situation where the guy we sign becomes a contract not needed in a year or two depending on how the young guys develop.

But luckily we are in a situation where Love's huge contract comes off in a few years, some guys are on smaller deals that can be traded. A full MLE on a backup vet PG won't cripple us either way.

But having a capable ballhandler and playmaker off the bench is a must I think we all agree. It could hurt not to have one again next year, or better to say it could bring a lot of extra value to our young guys' development to have one.

If we can find a Delly again, who is pro ready, smart and basically a vet out of the gate, I'd take that too. Just really difficult to find those guys and not something we can base our strategy on imo.

 

[ansatsusha80]

 

[inliner311]

Shot charts are real interesting to visualize how a team can put together an offense and lineups to compliment everyone on the floor. Spacing the floor and how shooter should be placed around the 3pt line is really easy to see when you look at shot charts.

 

[Derek]

This shot chart shows exactly why he scored with league average efficiency despite being an above average shot maker.

 

[WorldBExpensive]

I think backup PG is an easy target to get someone in the draft. I think the hit rate for them is pretty high in the late 1st to early 2nd. Even lotto picks that are PGs that don't work out as starters tend to stay in the league as backup PGs.

If we are going to use the MLE, I would target a wing. We brought in Jarrett Jack with Kyrie and Dion the same year we stumbled on to undrafted Delly. This draft has an unusual high number of taller PGs that are older and projected to go in the late 1st to early 2nd. There really isn't many small PGs in this draft.

If you look at the 2018 draft there were a bunch PGs in that range that are decent players. Bruce Brown, Shake Milton, De'anthony Melton, Jalen Brunson, Devonte Graham, and Aaron Holiday. Landry Shamet was a college PG and probably would have been a good backup PG if that was the route they wanted to develop him as.

Fully agree with your take on this. We need to see how the draft falls before doing a free agent deal for a PG. Hopefully the draft falls well and we pick-up a high potential wing/SF and use a later pick for a back-up PG. That said, if the draft falls the wrong way the BPA at our draft slot may be a PG in which case preemptively signing a back-up PG would have been a big mistake.

 

[daddywags]

Fully agree with your take on this. We need to see how the draft falls before doing a free agent deal for a PG. Hopefully the draft falls well and we pick-up a high potential wing/SF and use a later pick for a back-up PG. That said, if the draft falls the wrong way the BPA at our draft slot may be a PG in which case preemptively signing a back-up PG would have been a big mistake.

I think free agency doesn't start until after the draft, so no worries about preemptively signing anyone.

 

[WorldBExpensive]

I think free agency doesn't start until after the draft, so no worries about preemptively signing anyone.

You're right about that... draft at the end of July and free agency starts in early August.

I didn't know the dates...last year's late fall dates due to the pandemic had me confused but you're right.

 

[daddywags]

You're right about that... draft at the end of July and free agency starts in early August.

I didn't know the dates...last year's late fall dates due to the pandemic had me confused but you're right.

Full disclosure - I didn't know it either. I had to look it up.

 

[inliner311]

You're right about that... draft at the end of July and free agency starts in early August.

I didn't know the dates...last year's late fall dates due to the pandemic had me confused but you're right.

They are real close though so it's not like the Cavs could draft or bring in a couple undrafted guys and evaluate them before free agency.

Ideally we draft someone and maybe sign a vet to a one or two year deal. We don't need a vet on a 3 year deal like when we sign Jarrett Jack.

 

[bushwick_bill]

 

[ansatsusha80]

Link is dead

 

[Beanie4Heisman]

 

[OptimusPrime]

Those numbers fit the eye test quite a bit more than whatever his net ratings were when running the second unit with Cedi Osman and Mfiondu Kabengele.

He put up efficient numbers while being the entire focus of the defense, and his passing was dramatically improved over past seasons, to the point where it's really not a weakness in his game anymore.