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Corey Coleman

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So we know that Hue wanted him gone months ago but Dorsey, Haley, and Henry all know quite a lot about WR traits, approach, and production. They gave Corey 6 months to show them Hue was wrong and came to the conclusion he wasn’t wrong. Simple as that.
 
Okay, so if he lacks an adequate fundamental approach does this mean player development also failed? Makes me wonder just how much he wanted to be coached — or how much those wanted to coach him.

There's also the option that we have an awful coaching staff.

I don't necessarily believe in Coleman wholly but I think it is telling that as soon as the organization feels even a LITTLE flack for a move, they smear said player through media channels.
 
Duke Johnson and Coleman give us legit threats to do some damage on the offensive side of the ball.

IF and it is a huge IF, RGIII can figure some shit out with Hue, we might not be completely miserable on offense this year.
*Arrested Development Narrator*

"... They were."
 
Corey Coleman: Love, Live, Laugh

@GonzoRatso88 asked for my impressions, so I'm going to keep this fairly brief while trying to be comprehensive. First, I have to say I lost faith in Baylor's system for creating NFL ready skill position players a few years ago. That has tainted my view of the Coleman pick,and I honestly didn't watch much Baylor this year. I did watch a decent amount in 2014, so I feel like I can write this without pulling anything out of my butthole in order to do so.

Love:

He can get the ball into the end zone, and the Browns don't generally do that. He makes defenders miss when he has the ball. He has great balance and a good center of gravity, allowing him to break tackles and make cuts. He has speed and unquestioned production... in a draft where receivers either don't have production or don't have speed. I hope they explore him as a return man. He is indeed tough. He can block, and that was a huge concern for me from the receiver position going into this draft. Hue is a guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt, so I'm positive he has a vision of how Coleman will be used rather than more of a true flanker, which was also on the board.

Live

His height doesn't scream outside receiver, neither do the routes he ran in college. I had him as a slot receiver, I was surprised when @The Hill said he lined up on the outside at Baylor the majority of his plays. I must have seen him in motion a lot, like Harvin starts outside but then ends up more like a slot receiver when he goes in motion. Hue must know how he wants to use Coleman, and I want to see the plan.

Laugh

I didn't have Coleman as the top receiver in this draft, and the more I hear from the experts, there were a lot of NFL people who didn't have him in the top three either. The biggest reason for his lower ranking is he only ran three or four routes, and one of them was a bubble screen. Seriously, that isn't even a route. High school receivers all over the country have more experience with the mental games of the route tree against a cornerback. It's like they got the most raw receiving prospect who has a proven track record in the college game. I live with it because the offensive coaching staff is the best the Browns have had since the expansion. They can teach the route tree, as long as he is a student of the game. Don't judge him by his rookie year, begin the judging process his second year.

I thought I'd bump the post from April of 2016 where I literally laughed at Coleman being the top WR picked by the Browns. The Baylor system is an issue for drafted players, but who could have guessed Coleman was a diva on top of being extremely unprepared for the NFL? Save all the coach blame, Al Saunders was his position coach for two years and literally nobody in the NFL had a better resume for coaching receivers the fundamentals. Coleman was a dud inflated by the Baylor system, it's just that simple.
 
Realizing now that he meant the fans, not the competition...

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They knew this when they drafted him. The biggest knock on him was he only ran go routes in college. Coleman was with the Browns for 2 years, that can't be the excuse for dumping him for nothing now. Hue was hell bent on running the offense himself without a OC for the past two years. Would this be a different story if we had the coaching staff to properly develop these young players?
 
Blaming Hue Jackson for literally everything is the new "Thanks Obama" in Cleveland. Scapegoating is for simple minds.

His quotes about Coleman, in hindsight, are pretty laughable though.

Are we supposed to just cast aside his opinions because he is not a scout?

Or just view them as him being a PR person for whoever the team takes?

Regardless of his own opinions on what the players' profile is?
 
Well, I haven’t died on a hill like that in a while. My ashes are spread on the Coleman hill from top-to-bottom.
 
His quotes about Coleman, in hindsight, are pretty laughable though.

Are we supposed to just cast aside his opinions because he is not a scout?

Or just view them as him being a PR person for whoever the team takes?

Regardless of his own opinions on what the players' profile is?

The issue to me is the propensity of fans to hear new information and immediately seek out some way that Hue Jackson could have influenced the outcome, rather than looking at the many factors which likely caused the outcome.

Let's go ahead and assume Hue did have some say in Coleman being drafted. Who am I to say Jackson's role with the franchise had zero influence?

Lets start examining everything else going on. If the tanking mentally broke Coleman to the point of making him lose his mental edge, I'd put that more on the tank than the coach... however I don't think Coleman had much of a mental edge to begin with. He is a guy who was given the ball in favorable one-on-one situations in a conference that features horrible defenders. He then had a bunch of people in the Texas sports world telling him he's the best in the nation eventhough most of his yards came from simplistic bubble screens and go routes.

Even still, the evidence in front of me says Coleman had the best position coach for WRs of the past 30 years and he still didn't learn how to run a route tree or line up correctly. As I mentioned about a week ago, he also refused to play special teams and had a history of breaking team rules. The most intriguing fact I've heard today is that Hard Knocks interviewed Coleman in his apartment less than 24 hours before the trade. What did Coleman say or what did the cameras notice? That's going to be fascinating to watch in the near future.

Now how can an NFL head coach be the logical cause of these issues?
 
Josh Gordon doesnt have this problem, tho....
Of course not. That is the point. They are completely different players with completely different skillsets and abilities...

The point is, Baylor's system against Big 12 defenses could and did make anyone look good statistically. There's far more research that needs to be done beyond the numbers.
 
I cant believe that Dallas and Buffalo couldn't have been put into a bidding war.
 
Of course not. That is the point. They are completely different players with completely different skillsets and abilities...

The point is, Baylor's system against Big 12 defenses could and did make anyone look good statistically. There's far more research that needs to be done beyond the numbers.

While true, I dont think it has anything to do with Baylor.

A guy can either retain knowledge and use it, or he cannot. It appears Coleman cannot.
 
I cant believe that Dallas and Buffalo couldn't have been put into a bidding war.
If only that war had happened. Maybe we could've gotten a 2019 7th round pick instead. If only...:(
 

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