Darius Kinnard Garland

[Simon]

 

[PIP]

Ok interview. Looks like he has bad posture tho

-Futuredome

 

[Cavatt]

From the Athletic:

Looking at the bigger picture, Garland is averaging 19.7 points and 7.8 assists per game and shooting 46.7 percent from the field and 91.8 percent from the foul line. If it holds for the entire season, he’d be the first player 22 or younger to post those numbers.

When Irving was Garland’s age, in 2014-15, he was an All-Star and co-piloted the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but he only shot 86 percent from the foul line and averaged just 5.2 assists.

I compared their stats yesterday, and we used to say "Wow can you belive Kyrie is only 21" all the time. Garland has had a steeper ascent than Kyrie who came in very polished his rookie year.

It's a wash as far as I am concerned in terms of raw stats. Kyrie was at 30 pp 100 and Darius is at 28, but has 2 more assists.

It's hard to believe it, but we are at the point where we have to ask ourselves is Darius already the better player because of his ability to orchestrate and defend.

IT's a mentality. Kyrie makes tough shots and he just continues trying to make them instead of passing the ball once he attracts more attention. Darius is just better tricking you into not knowing if he is going to score or pass.

I was Darius doubter, partially because I was such a fan of Sexton's aggression and thought Garland didn't have that dog. He started turning me end of last year, but this year he has just really impressed me. He has made 2 really big leaps in his development in 2 years and the difference between the first game of the season and now is a major leap as well. He clearly soaked up a lot from Rubio and has figured out in the past month how to win close games as the dude.

 

[Jscc]

Ok interview. Looks like he has bad posture tho

-Futuredome

Have you seen JA run up and down the court? The man looks like the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

From the Athletic:

Looking at the bigger picture, Garland is averaging 19.7 points and 7.8 assists per game and shooting 46.7 percent from the field and 91.8 percent from the foul line. If it holds for the entire season, he’d be the first player 22 or younger to post those numbers.

When Irving was Garland’s age, in 2014-15, he was an All-Star and co-piloted the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but he only shot 86 percent from the foul line and averaged just 5.2 assists.

This is beautifully written and about as accurate to my depiction of ceiling/floor as it can get

 

[avs2000]

I compared their stats yesterday, and we used to say "Wow can you belive Kyrie is only 21" all the time. Garland has had a steeper ascent than Kyrie who came in very polished his rookie year.

It's a wash as far as I am concerned in terms of raw stats. Kyrie was at 30 pp 100 and Darius is at 28, but has 2 more assists.

It's hard to believe it, but we are at the point where we have to ask ourselves is Darius already the better player because of his ability to orchestrate and defend.

IT's a mentality. Kyrie makes tough shots and he just continues trying to make them instead of passing the ball once he attracts more attention. Darius is just better tricking you into not knowing if he is going to score or pass.

I was Darius doubter, partially because I was such a fan of Sexton's aggression and thought Garland didn't have that dog. He started turning me end of last year, but this year he has just really impressed me. He has made 2 really big leaps in his development in 2 years and the difference between the first game of the season and now is a major leap as well. He clearly soaked up a lot from Rubio and has figured out in the past month how to win close games as the dude.

agree on most of your post and especially rubio.
I also think he will learn from Rondo as well, different skills and mentality. I think rondo will be in his ear more

 

[Peacedog]

Why were they comparing Garland's 3rd year with Irving's 4th year?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He is, however, an unbelievable ceiling raiser if your team already has a number one option, and his skill set scales incredibly well in that role.

Boston had Tatum, and Kyrie did very little to raise their ceiling. In fact, in both of his seasons with the Celtics, they had a better record with him off the floor than with him on the floor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanduel.com/theduel/amp/posts/nets-record-without-kyrie-irving-off-to-troubling-start-in-brooklyn-01dzmgp1k05h

The Nets also seem to play quite well without the guy. Hell, even the Cavs' winning percentage with and without him in 2015-16 was almost identical. (.695 to .690).

 

[Cassity14]

Boston had Tatum, and Kyrie did very little to raise their ceiling. In fact, in both of his seasons with the celtics, they had a better record with him off the floor than with him on the floor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanduel.com/theduel/amp/posts/nets-record-without-kyrie-irving-off-to-troubling-start-in-brooklyn-01dzmgp1k05h

The Nets also seem to play quite well without the guy.

The timing with Tatum was strange - Kyrie was still the best player on that team in my opinion. I'd add a caveat to the original point that Kyrie needs to play on a team with someone else as the primary creator (which is difficult due to his physical and positional limitations).

When you combine the fact that he's more of a 2nd option with the fact that he is unable to excel as a playmaker, it's hard to find a fit for a guy who's 6'1.

It's a shame, I don't think Kyrie has yet realized that he and LeBron, offensively, were the perfect fit, and that he's unlikely to ever find that again. He's certainly the 3rd banana in Brooklyn, and I predict that will cause issues down the line, particularly in the playoffs when he's in and out of the lineup every couple of games.

 

[weepinwillow]

The timing with Tatum was strange - Kyrie was still the best player on that team in my opinion. I'd add a caveat to the original point that Kyrie needs to play on a team with someone else as the primary creator (which is difficult due to his physical and positional limitations).

When you combine the fact that he's more of a 2nd option with the fact that he is unable to excel as a playmaker, it's hard to find a fit for a guy who's 6'1.

It's a shame, I don't think Kyrie has yet realized that he and LeBron, offensively, were the perfect fit, and that he's unlikely to ever find that again. He's certainly the 3rd banana in Brooklyn, and I predict that will cause issues down the line, particularly in the playoffs when he's in and out of the lineup every couple of games.

I thought pairing himself with KD made a ton of sense. A different version of that combo made it to the finals and nearly knocked off the 73 win fucktards. Then a perfect storm of adding Harden, injuries, weird-o Irving shit.. Anyway, fuck that guy, fuck KD for joining the Warriors, fuck LeBron for going to Miami, fuck James Harden and that bull shit rip through move that would get your ass kicked at a YMCA game if you called it. Fuck it all.

Go Cavs!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The timing with Tatum was strange - Kyrie was still the best player on that team in my opinion. I'd add a caveat to the original point that Kyrie needs to play on a team with someone else as the primary creator (which is difficult due to his physical and positional limitations).

When you combine the fact that he's more of a 2nd option with the fact that he is unable to excel as a playmaker, it's hard to find a fit for a guy who's 6'1.

It's a shame, I don't think Kyrie has yet realized that he and LeBron, offensively, were the perfect fit, and that he's unlikely to ever find that again. He's certainly the 3rd banana in Brooklyn, and I predict that will cause issues down the line, particularly in the playoffs when he's in and out of the lineup every couple of games.

It is just very hard to run a normal offense with Kyrie as your point guard because he likes to play Kyrie ball rather than run the offense.

Even if you make him the shooting guard - a role you could argue he played in Cleveland with LeBron, and in New Jersey with Harden, he still doesn't seem to add a lot to wins, although the unique pairing with LeBron in Cleveland did make that slightly less of an issue.

That's three highly-seeded playoff teams where his net impact on winning has been much, much less than you'd expect from a guy with his ability putting up those numbers.

 

[Jscc]

It's a shame, I don't think Kyrie has yet realized that he and LeBron, offensively, were the perfect fit, and that he's unlikely to ever find that again. He's certainly the 3rd banana in Brooklyn, and I predict that will cause issues down the line, particularly in the playoffs when he's in and out of the lineup every couple of games.

A big shame. LeBron and Kyrie were the small ball equivalent of Shaq and Kobe. If a few things went right here and there, they had threepeat potential like them too. Sigh.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

A big shame. LeBron and Kyrie were the small ball equivalent of Shaq and Kobe. If a few things went right here and there, they had threepeat potential like them too. Sigh.

I think the Cavs would have done just as well or better with any number of different high-end players replacing Kyrie. I don't think that was a relationship uniquely suited to LBJ as much as it was a relationship uniquely suited for Kyrie.

 

[Cavatt]

Why were they comparing Garland's 3rd year with Irving's 4th year?

Probably by age. Kyrie was pretty young when he came in. He was 18 and Garland was 19

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

In fairness, they're usually wrong when they prematurely anoint their young guys budding superstars. See, Kuzma, THT, etc.

I think Kuzma could have been something special, but they gambled their future away to win a 'chip. Now they are paying that cost.