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Who is the best undrafted Cavs player ever?

  • Jose Calderon

    Votes: 4 4.1%
  • Earl Boykins

    Votes: 8 8.2%
  • Kevin Ollie

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Matthew Dellavedova

    Votes: 49 50.0%
  • Smush Parker

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scott Williams

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chris Anderson

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • David Wesley

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ben Wallace

    Votes: 29 29.6%
  • HOrnyforDean!

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    98
It’s one thing to perform well playing 15-20 mpg against mostly backups and quite another to play 28-36 mpg against starters. Due to a shortage of talent we’re playing Okoro far too many minutes for a 20 year old rookie and now we’ve moved Wade from DNP -CD to 20 mpg to starting.

I think we all need to be patient with our players because this has been a very rough year for them. They compete even when they are outclassed and don’t let losses affect the next game’s effort.
With Allen out he’s also been playing a lot of d against centers that outweigh him 30+ pounds. That kind of pushing and shoving when you are giving up a lot of strength and weight will take the legs out of your shot.
 
Cavs are 7-6 with Wade starting.

Too limited of a sample size to have any meaning to be quite honest. I know he is your boy, but he is a young player with some ability, but a stretch 4 shooting 36.5% from 3. He has a chance to become a major contributor, but he will need to continue to improve in all aspects of his game.
 
Cavs are 7-6 with Wade starting.
Too limited of a sample size to have any meaning to be quite honest. I know he is your boy, but he is a young player with some ability, but a stretch 4 shooting 36.5% from 3. He has a chance to become a major contributor, but he will need to continue to improve in all aspects of his game.
To coach’s defense - we do tend to play well when he’s out there. I thought the team looked good on both ends of the court when he was in in the first half. It was odd that he sat after that. But, then again, I have no idea what is going on with our lineups and rotations much of the time.
 
Interesting stat to look at: The top two 5-man lineups for Sexton, Garland, Okoro sorted by +/- (with at least 50 minutes), all of them include Wade...

Does that say more about Wade or the type of player they need at the 4?

 
Interesting stat to look at: The top two 5-man lineups for Sexton, Garland, Okoro sorted by +/- (with at least 50 minutes), all of them include Wade...

Does that say more about Wade or the type of player they need at the 4?

There's most likely something to the type of player they need there.

Their best 4-man combo is those three and Love.

 
The Cavs were outscored by 9.0 points when Wade was on the floor, which is a lower net differential than Love (-6.5) and Nance (-5.6). When everybody is healthy he'll be the third power forward, not the first, and that's assuming we don't draft Kuminga. Overall he was 8th on the team in net rating, not counting the guys who only played sporadically.

However, he was third in effective field goal percentage behind the two centers, Allen and Hartenstein, who got a lot of dunks off lobs. And Wade was fourth in defensive rating behind Nance, Windler, and Hartenstein.

What concerned me was his field goal percentage dropped from 44.6% to 42.6% from the first to the second half and his 3-point shooting declined from 42.3% to 34.8%. He was a significantly worse shooter in the second half, which is not the trend you want to see.

His minutes averaged only 11.8 before the break compared to 25.5 after, so the injuries to Nance really opened up some significant playing time, including more minutes against the opponent's starters. His second half numbers more accurately reflect what to expect from Wade if he starts next year; 43% and 35%.

However, in 19 games as a starter he shot 47.6% from the field and 40.0% on 3's so that's pretty interesting even if the sample is a little small.

CleaningtheGlass has him ranked in the 78th percentile in points per shot attempt and the 70th percentile in assists per usage rate among power forwards. He's a good shooter and passer compared to other 4's. He also ranks in the 84th percentile in turnover rate so he takes good care of the ball. He only ranks in the 15th percentile in assisted percentage, meaning he did not create his own shot but relied heavily on assists from teammates. 86% of his field goals were assisted.

In terms of shooting accuracy, he was in the 93rd percentile for power forwards on corner 3's and 97th percentile on 2-point shots that were not at the rim. He's an excellent mid-range shooter. He was only in the 32nd percentile on non-corner 3's, which is where most of his 3's came from.

He's an excellent defensive rebounder (84th percentile) but just average on offensive rebounds. Defensively he's average at steals, blocks, and committing fouls.

Last year Wade played nearly 1,100 minutes after only 70 minutes his entire rookie season. The question is whether all that experience will teach him what he needs to improve on and whether he can build off last year to be a better player this season. His defense is solid - fourth on the team. I'm not sure why his offensive rating is 11th except that his shooting percentages were a little low and he only shot when the defense left him open and a teammate threw him the ball.

He needs to take more mid-range shots and corner 3's while improving his ability to hit the longer, non-corner 3's. Bickerstaff could help by spotting him in the corner more.

I also noticed that after we played the Mavericks in back-to-back games Wade started driving to the rim more. It was like he got the chance to watch Luka Doncic operate and a light went on. "Here's a guy who's built like me and he gets dribble penetration and scores without being quick." I'd like to see Wade incorporate some of Doncic's game into his own next year as well as work hard on the 3's from the angle. He's good at defense, defensive rebounding, passing, corner 3's, and 2-point shooting. He just needs to add a couple of things and he could be a contributor.
 
The Cavs were outscored by 9.0 points when Wade was on the floor, which is a lower net differential than Love (-6.5) and Nance (-5.6). When everybody is healthy he'll be the third power forward, not the first, and that's assuming we don't draft Kuminga. Overall he was 8th on the team in net rating, not counting the guys who only played sporadically.

However, he was third in effective field goal percentage behind the two centers, Allen and Hartenstein, who got a lot of dunks off lobs. And Wade was fourth in defensive rating behind Nance, Windler, and Hartenstein.

What concerned me was his field goal percentage dropped from 44.6% to 42.6% from the first to the second half and his 3-point shooting declined from 42.3% to 34.8%. He was a significantly worse shooter in the second half, which is not the trend you want to see.

His minutes averaged only 11.8 before the break compared to 25.5 after, so the injuries to Nance really opened up some significant playing time, including more minutes against the opponent's starters. His second half numbers more accurately reflect what to expect from Wade if he starts next year; 43% and 35%.

However, in 19 games as a starter he shot 47.6% from the field and 40.0% on 3's so that's pretty interesting even if the sample is a little small.

CleaningtheGlass has him ranked in the 78th percentile in points per shot attempt and the 70th percentile in assists per usage rate among power forwards. He's a good shooter and passer compared to other 4's. He also ranks in the 84th percentile in turnover rate so he takes good care of the ball. He only ranks in the 15th percentile in assisted percentage, meaning he did not create his own shot but relied heavily on assists from teammates. 86% of his field goals were assisted.

In terms of shooting accuracy, he was in the 93rd percentile for power forwards on corner 3's and 97th percentile on 2-point shots that were not at the rim. He's an excellent mid-range shooter. He was only in the 32nd percentile on non-corner 3's, which is where most of his 3's came from.

He's an excellent defensive rebounder (84th percentile) but just average on offensive rebounds. Defensively he's average at steals, blocks, and committing fouls.

Last year Wade played nearly 1,100 minutes after only 70 minutes his entire rookie season. The question is whether all that experience will teach him what he needs to improve on and whether he can build off last year to be a better player this season. His defense is solid - fourth on the team. I'm not sure why his offensive rating is 11th except that his shooting percentages were a little low and he only shot when the defense left him open and a teammate threw him the ball.

He needs to take more mid-range shots and corner 3's while improving his ability to hit the longer, non-corner 3's. Bickerstaff could help by spotting him in the corner more.

I also noticed that after we played the Mavericks in back-to-back games Wade started driving to the rim more. It was like he got the chance to watch Luka Doncic operate and a light went on. "Here's a guy who's built like me and he gets dribble penetration and scores without being quick." I'd like to see Wade incorporate some of Doncic's game into his own next year as well as work hard on the 3's from the angle. He's good at defense, defensive rebounding, passing, corner 3's, and 2-point shooting. He just needs to add a couple of things and he could be a contributor.
Spot on. I also noticed him driving more after the dallas games. To me, this is a guy whose future depends on him tying his skills together to become a contributor.
 
And if you’re told to only shoot three’s and not drive it what do you do?
 
Rise for a shot but it is merely a pump fake so you take 3 steps in and shoot a contested 18 footer. The Melo classic
 

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