Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

[CBBI]

Do you think that means a full season + reinstatement is off the table then? Wonder if they keep the games suspended around 6 to 8 and then a big fine?

I mean I have no idea. The NFL seemingly can and will do whatever they want to do, but a lawsuit might have a little more traction now than before.

 

[Jscc]

Not getting my hopes up, but this is a very interesting piece of information.

When Judge Robinson made the argument that the NFL failed to provide proper notice about the possibility of unprecedented suspension, I simply thought that was her opinion on the case and a somewhat generic opinion on most collectively bargained matters.

I was fully unaware that was the NFL's own policy that came about in the immediate aftermath of the Ray Rice suspension.

Very interesting indeed.

I don't think it matters. Robinson paraphrased Goodell's own wording more than once in her decision and he tossed it in the trash all the same. At this point, it's more about what the NFL thinks it can legally get away with while still serving its interests.

 

[JDailey23]

So, what happens with the fine money? Why is their pressure for a significant fine?

 

[FrontPageNews]

So, what happens with the fine money? Why is their pressure for a significant fine?

Fine money goes to charity. It’s probably just to prove a point. Like all fines are. Detract others from doing something similar.

 

[JDailey23]

Fine money goes to charity. It’s probably just to prove a point. Like all fines are. Detract others from doing something similar.

Thank you. Fine him 10 million and move to 8 games. Call it a day

 

[southernflyer]

Thank you. Fine him 10 million and move to 8 games. Call it a day

The precedent of a large fine without notice or bargaining through the CBA is the same as a year/ indefinite suspension. No player has ever received over a $1m fine, let alone $10m.

If the league/Peter Harvey was smart from a PR view without extending into a potential court battle, they would keep the suspension at 6 games or raise it to 8 (Ben's 4 games final suspension doubled) and take Jamal Lewis' $760k fine, double it and round it down to $1.5m. That way they could fall back and say the fine equaled what they just handed to the Dolphin's owner. Donate the money to a domestic abuse charity in Houston or Cleveland. You would hear very few complaints.

 

[bob2the2nd]

So, what happens with the fine money? Why is their pressure for a significant fine?

There is a push for a significant fine if the suspension is less than 12 games because otherwise there is no real penalty for Watson. Sure he misses some games but let's say the suspension is less than 12 games (cut off point for a year of service). It means Watson loses out on.... ~500k in salary out of 220 million. He doesnt lose any earning power as far as years go, because he still accrues a year of service(a year of the contract). So basically he sits out for 6-11 games, loses maybe half a million and goes on with his life.

So the NFL is basically giving him 2 options he can accrue year of service and take a significant fine or he can be suspended for the year and lose a year of service (basically a year of earning power)

Edit I completely forgot that Watson's contract has a clause about still being paid if suspended. In that case there may actually be no penalty for Watson If he takes a suspension of less than 12 games. Other than he misses some game. So basically suspended with pay.... Hence push for fine

 

[Sebastian]

I don't think it matters. Robinson paraphrased Goodell's own wording more than once in her decision and he tossed it in the trash all the same. At this point, it's more about what the NFL thinks it can legally get away with while still serving its interests.

A potential NFLPA lawsuit will have to demonstrate that the NFL didn't follow its own process, or that it was disregarded.

This omission sort of lends its hand to that.

Its not a golden bullet by a long-shot, but the NFL appears to be doing everything possible to bolster the NFLPA's case.

Again, slim odds to slightly less slimmer odds.

 

[bushwick_bill]

230m dollar fine and life time suspension. - Judge Goodell ruling.

 

[Sebastian]

 

[MGMT]

Ha, too funny. I just watched a YouTube video about that company’s downfall and how they just kept trying to serve everything only to be able to have no specialty items. It’s also hilarious how bad their marketing was.

 

[The Oi]

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@Deezus !!!

The ad campaign that brought an entire franchise down.

 

[shoes22]

On the Kareem Hunt thing...it’s nothing more than a negotiation tactic. He thinks by doing this he can force the Browns to do something about his contract extension. Otherwise he would simply just leave in the offseason.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

On the Kareem Hunt thing...it’s nothing more than a negotiation tactic. He thinks by doing this he can force the Browns to do something about his contract extension. Otherwise he would simply just leave in the offseason.

I don't think he wants to risk his career at an under-market price without having some future financial guarantees

 

[Surge]

I trust Berry and Co.