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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Total voters
    255
  • Poll closed .
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Ummm... Pay matters. Cap matters.

You could have 4 Tariq Blacks for what it costs to have 1 Tristan right now. 4 Tariq Black level players with 24 fouls easily replaces what Tristan can.

You are missing the biggest reason TT needs moving if you arent understanding pay.

He's not the malcontent that Dion was, and he doesnt throw off the team chemistry as a person... but he needs to be paid and throws off the chemistry on the court and in the cap world after this summer. Any discussion about him has to include his pending presence on the cap relative to his value to the team

Between TT and Andy, we just can't waste 20+ million dollars between two bench players. Just can't. Put it toward a starting center.
 
Is it just me, or does it look like Kyrie is relieved (about the trade) and trying not to laugh? Looks like a man with a giant weight lifted off his chest. Like he was just talking about it with his boys in the other room, but now has to say the right things? I got this feeling from the KLove interview too.

If so, this bodes well for locker room morale (at least until JR Smith gets here?)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/...1373313666&cid=nbacomsocial_20150107_38407007
 
Is it just me, or does it look like Kyrie is relieved (about the trade) and trying not to laugh? Looks like a man with a giant weight lifted off his chest. Like he was just talking about it with his boys in the other room, but now has to say the right things? I got this feeling from the KLove interview too.

If so, this bodes well for locker room morale (at least until JR Smith gets here?)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/...1373313666&cid=nbacomsocial_20150107_38407007
"I still haven't had a chance to talk to him".
So yeah, let's not pretend that Kyrie and Dion were in any way close.
 
All the trades that were made weren't from a position of power. LBJ said he would come back and teams knew we had to dump salary, overpaid to do so. The love trade didn't have to be done at that very minute but they seem to want to get him right away, could of waited and see how it played out. Waiters traded because we needed return of wing players and an asset to get big because varejao is hurt and we don't have 3 bigs to play minutes.

If he was smart he would have asked us to clear the space before he announced his decision.

You are right we had to take Dion because of the picks and players we already dumped for squat.
 
Kyrie Irving - 22
Tristan Thompson - 23
Kevin Love - 26
Iman Shumpert - 24
Matthew Dellavedova - 24
Joe Harris - 23

The idea that we have no young players is ridiculous. Four out of the five players in our healthy starting line-up (I am assuming Shumpert will start when he's back) are 26 and under. We also have two first round picks from other teams to dangle in potential trades in addition to our own this year (which can't be traded), along with Haywood's non-guaranteed contract we can trade this summer.

We are nowhere near in the position that the Heat were in. The Heat had no draft picks. We have (most likely) two this summer, along with the Grizzlies pick which will vest sometime in the next two years. We have all our own draft picks except the 2016 pick too.

I liked Dion, but he wasn't the only young player on our team, and I think we ultimately got a pretty good value in return for dealing him. We turned one rotation guy (albeit with a reasonably high ceiling) into two rotation guys and a first round pick. It would have been awesome if Dion had embraced his role and played the way some of us were hoping he would, but that just didn't happen. Given the circumstances, the deal we made was pretty solid.

Seems like you proved my point with the list of low upside guys. Not counting big injured 3, cause heat had a better version. Then you got plenty of Norris coles, Chalmers, etc. Maybe Tristan will become a great player one day, but its a long road for him.

We have up more talent this year than anyone wants to admit.
 
Is it just me, or does it look like Kyrie is relieved (about the trade) and trying not to laugh? Looks like a man with a giant weight lifted off his chest. Like he was just talking about it with his boys in the other room, but now has to say the right things? I got this feeling from the KLove interview too.

I thought Kyrie looked more somber than anything. Almost like the attitude after Chris Grant was fired, that whole "we got this guy fired" reaction, almost like a "we got Dion traded because we weren't good enough". The other 2 questions he looked happy/excited but for the Dion one, I don't know, he didn't look like he was holding back happiness to me.
 
I might be late, but I thought the deal wasn't quite "done"... How would the Knicks be able to do this until it is finished?

 
I might be late, but I thought the deal wasn't quite "done"... How would the Knicks be able to do this until it is finished?


Maybe the deal completed and we just haven't heard about it yet?
 
I think that Dion is pretty similar to Tyreke Evans in that he's got a fantastic drive and kick game when he chooses. Consistency is always a problem. The only thing Dion was consistent at was being inconsistent.

Sure there's blips on the radar you can point to as supposed evidence, but Dion never sustained good play long enough to warrant this continual belief that one day he's going to have a "come to Jesus" moment and wake up.

He's got inherent flaws in his mental game that LeBron and others have noticed. "When Dion's brain catches up to Dion's body, then he'll be straight" was the essence of the quote.

He's emotionally fragile, his focus grades out at Drew Gooden, JJ Hickson levels. He's talented as hell with the ball in his hands, but he's simply not consistent enough where fans should believe that one day he's going to wake up and suddenly have focus/attention to details/control over his emotions. Those are not things that are not easily changed with training. You have to be willing to admit things first to begin the process of moving forward and evolving. I see a guy who's continually swirling the toilet bowl.

I have friends who seem incapable of even the slightest bit of introspection. Dion's "me against the world" mentality is going to hurt him in the end.

We parlayed an undersized chucker into two properly sized NBA wings and a 1st rounder. I'm not sure how much higher his value was going to get? We gambled that he could be a good fit, and he wasn't. It was a gamble we should have taken, he's talented, but I'll accept what we did get in the end.

The honest judgement regarding Dion's own appraisal of his talent would be his contract extension.

Smith is willing to play his role for 6 million per season. JR has already been paid the most he's going to get in his career. Dion is still on the way up, but his inconsistency is definitely not worth an overpay. If you overpay on Thompson, at least the guy is hustling and engaged into every game.

Do you see Dion accepting 6 million per season? Dion came from the gutter, he's got a baby of his own who he looks after, you think Dion is cool taking 6 million and the perpetual bench role?

He's got to admit what he really is before he starts taking steps forward and evolving as a professional, right now he's just not mentally and emotionally mature enough to realize what he really is at this point. Hey were you or I at age 22?
 
I might be late, but I thought the deal wasn't quite "done"... How would the Knicks be able to do this until it is finished?


Do they even take a physical then? I mean they were on the knicks about the same amount of time i was on the knicks.
 
Do they even take a physical then? I mean they were on the knicks about the same amount of time i was on the knicks.

Teams can waive physicals for players they don't intend to keep.
 
Do they even take a physical then? I mean they were on the knicks about the same amount of time i was on the knicks.

I'm not sure. I'd think that the whole trade must be done before guys can be activated.

I saw that Mark Spears said Dion will play tonight, so it must be "official"..

On a side-note, I asked @InsideHoops about whether or not the trade was "official official" and he hadn't known that it wasn't... So, take his stuff with a grain of salt.
 
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