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Do you believe in God?

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No. There really isn't any miraculous stuff going on, it's all science and laws of physics and probabilities.

Appreciate morality and virtues taught by religion but also has some pernicious consequences
 
I honestly don’t know. I spent most of my life either atheist or agnostic, but as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become more open and it’s mainly for a reason that probably seems odd for almost everyone:

Which thing seems more plausible, a magic being that has always existed, or the matter that became the Big Bang just appeared out of nowhere. The magic sky being just seems more likely in this case.

I am a science guy, and believe in it wholeheartedly, but who’s to say God isn’t the origin of science? Maybe the belief in science, miracles, religion, etc, are all based in science that we’ve yet to understand.
 
No.

On the one hand, I don't believe in things that don't have evidence to support them.

On the other, in nearly every religion isn't God omnipotent, omniscient, etc? If so, then he's a terrible fucking being that deserves ridicule and disdain over respect. The fuck's the deal with childhood cancer? Dads raping their infant daughters? If he exists, that sack of shit has a whole lot of explaining to do.

If people want to live a life where they believe in a higher power, go nuts. I'm not going to piss on your parade. Just don't make other people's lives worse because of what you choose to believe in.
 
Yes. Studying the big bang I realized with all the mass and energy in one spot, it should have just been a black hole, but instead, it expanded quickly and smoothly from a point.

Further, from an entropy point of view, the universe was nearly zero. It had to come from a source of negative entropy. The only thing with negative entropy is intelligent life.

The source also had to have more energy than the whole universe, since energy only comes from a greater energy source to a lesser one.

Finally, the General Theory of Relativity shows time began with the universe. So the source of the universe had to be outside time, with great energy than the whole universe, and intelligent life. That's a pretty basic description of God.
 
No.

On the one hand, I don't believe in things that don't have evidence to support them.

On the other, in nearly every religion isn't God omnipotent, omniscient, etc? If so, then he's a terrible fucking being that deserves ridicule and disdain over respect. The fuck's the deal with childhood cancer? Dads raping their infant daughters? If he exists, that sack of shit has a whole lot of explaining to do.

If people want to live a life where they believe in a higher power, go nuts. I'm not going to piss on your parade. Just don't make other people's lives worse because of what you choose to believe in.

I treat my belief in a god differently than I treat religion. I don’t trust religion. Too many bad things have been done in its name. I also don’t treat God as this all knowing, omnipotent being. I prefer that God created life and let it evolve do its own thing. I control my actions and fate. Life came from something and it’s yet to be fully proven how. I basically have decided to create my own belief system with a Parrish of one.
 
Yes. Studying the big bang I realized with all the mass and energy in one spot, it should have just been a black hole, but instead, it expanded quickly and smoothly from a point.

Further, from an entropy point of view, the universe was nearly zero. It had to come from a source of negative entropy. The only thing with negative entropy is intelligent life.

The source also had to have more energy than the whole universe, since energy only comes from a greater energy source to a lesser one.

Finally, the General Theory of Relativity shows time began with the universe. So the source of the universe had to be outside time, with great energy than the whole universe, and intelligent life. That's a pretty basic description of God.
Exactly how I feel…only you said it more intelligently, lol.
 
I will say I do not believe in any specific god that is taught by any specific religion.

However, I have strange beliefs that I’ve developed that there is an afterlife, and something much much deeper going on once we get past physical life here on earth. I believe in a soul and that we aren’t just a mush of meat. I don’t know what or if I believe in a god or just that life doesn’t cease after death.

I do know the thought of the Big Bang seems unfathomable coming from nothing. However, the thought of a god also seems unfathomably because something also would have had to create that “god”.
 
I will say I do not believe in any specific god that is taught by any specific religion.

However, I have strange beliefs that I’ve developed that there is an afterlife, and something much much deeper going on once we get past physical life here on earth. I believe in a soul and that we aren’t just a mush of meat. I don’t know what or if I believe in a god or just that life doesn’t cease after death.

I do know the thought of the Big Bang seems unfathomable coming from nothing. However, the thought of a god also seems unfathomably because something also would have had to create that “god”.
It really can be unforgivingly irritating trying to comprehend how something can start from absolute nothing. I don’t remember much from my childhood, but this conversation has caused me to remember how frustrating I was for weeks when I was around 9 or 10, when I tried to comprehend how life began. Even though I was raised Protestant and went to church every Sunday, I thought it was all bullshit. Yet I remember it upset me not knowing.

At least I think I was 9 or 10 because I remember that around the same time I was depressed over not knowing, I also was collecting first series Master of the Universe figures and I was born in 1975. The time frame seems to line up, lol.
 
No but I believe in a higher power, I describe myself as being very spiritual. I believe in my own higher power. I have had numerous ups and downs in my own life (fortunately not my professional career) which has pushed me to become a more spiritual person. I have shared this before in the S34 but I have had to overcome some mental health challenges that I do not keep private anymore which was generalized anxiety disorder due to stress which lead to substance abuse issues (booze) among other things. Covid stress from work pushed it into overdrive, recent losses of my father and best friend etc, etc etc... I am almost two years sober now but through power of self and becoming spiritual helped me overcome some my challenges that I work on daily. I did look for a higher power during tough times and continue to do so. I also do not believe in any organized religion, I am opposed to it etc. If you want to worship a fucking tree go for it, just do not put your religious beliefs on me or my family.
 
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No but I believe in a higher power, I describe myself as being very spiritual. I believe in my own higher power. I have had numerous ups and downs in my own life (fortunately not my professional career) which has pushed me to become a more spiritual person. I have shared this before in the S34 but I have had to overcome some mental health challenges that I do not keep private anymore which was generalized anxiety disorder due to stress which lead to substance abuse issues (booze) among other things. Covid stress from work pushed it into overdrive, recent losses of my father and best friend etc, etc etc... I am almost two years sober now but through power of self and becoming spiritual helped me overcome some my challenges that I work on daily. I did look for a higher power during tough times and continue to do so. I also do not believe in any organized religion, I am opposed to it etc. If you want to worship a fucking tree go for it, just do not put your religious beliefs on me or my family.
Well said Bill, we share a lot of the same opinions on religion. If you don’t mind me asking, and anyone can chime in since I really would appreciate ideas, how do you grow your spirituality?

That’s the biggest thing I’ve been trying to embrace with recent issues I’ve been dealing with. I’m in a good place professionally, and other than my wife and I essentially calling our soon to be 18 year marriage a quit, my personal life is not terrible. But it feels like something is missing inside. I’ve been going to a non-denominational church on Sundays when I’m not working, and even though I’ve disagreed with the sermon pretty much every week, I still go just to maintain the current desire to grasp the concept of belief in a higher power.
 
I don't believe in a God that created us for the sole purpose of worshiping him, and if we believe with absolutely no proof, we have eternal joy in heaven, no matter how bad we actually were, and if we don't believe, we have eternal tourture, not matter how good we are.

Growing up my uncle was a pastor and my father was an atheist. They both grew up in the same brutal environment of an alcoholic father who was always drunk and was mean. He ended up dying in a drunk driving accident. My father thought if there's a God, how could he allow this. My uncle went to church and heard the words "God loves you" and said that was the first time in his life anyone ever told him he was loved. So I grew up hearing them tell each other all of the reasons to believe and to not believe. Also where my first paragraph comes from.

All of that said, I do allow for at least the possibility there is something out there after we die. Partly because the alternative terrifies me. Partly because I have a story that can't be explained any other way.

My father died 27 years ago from asbestos. I knew he was dying for a couple of years before he died. Before he died, I went through a period of reading a bunch of books on near death experiences (Raymond Moody), mediums, etc. Some of the stories were quite compelling, but there was always this thought that all of this could be just made up. And I also knew about Houdini exposing fake mediums because he had a test they all failed and have also seen how people can fish for answers. I figured even if someone can do it, there are bound to be fakes, and that people making money off of it are almost certainly fakes.

So I decided to make my own personal test, but didn't tell anyone, not even my father.

The test was this "what was our nickname for each other". We had a nickname that had nothing to do with our names, that couldn't be looked up, that went back to our love for sports and a writer in our home town newspaper. The writer's name was Charlie, he had a weekly predictions column. Not a single one ever came true. If he picked one of our teams to win, we knew we were doomed. Since we rooted against each other in football, when one of our teams would lose, the other one would say "way to go Charlie" or "way to go chuck" saying we jinxed them. When we called each other on the phone, we'd start the call with one saying "Charlie" and the other "Chuck" and end the call with "ok Charlie" and "ok Chuck".

His death crushed me. I spend sometime on a bereavement usenet news group (early internet thing that predates boards like this). On there was someone who said they were a medium there to help people. I really had my doubts, but asked my question (by email).

I expected an answer fishing for hints like you see the clear fakes do. Instead I got a reply with just one word. "Chuck" Of the two variations, that's the one I wanted. No way to look that up. Nobody to ask. Random person in a different part of the country who only had my email address and who didn't want anything from me. Nobody who knew me even knew I was on that usenet newsgroup or that I had asked the question.

That's my story. Information that I can't explain any other way than my father somehow being able to give this guy the answer after he died.
 
I don't believe in a God that created us for the sole purpose of worshiping him, and if we believe with absolutely no proof, we have eternal joy in heaven, no matter how bad we actually were, and if we don't believe, we have eternal tourture, not matter how good we are.

Growing up my uncle was a pastor and my father was an atheist. They both grew up in the same brutal environment of an alcoholic father who was always drunk and was mean. He ended up dying in a drunk driving accident. My father thought if there's a God, how could he allow this. My uncle went to church and heard the words "God loves you" and said that was the first time in his life anyone ever told him he was loved. So I grew up hearing them tell each other all of the reasons to believe and to not believe. Also where my first paragraph comes from.

All of that said, I do allow for at least the possibility there is something out there after we die. Partly because the alternative terrifies me. Partly because I have a story that can't be explained any other way.

My father died 27 years ago from asbestos. I knew he was dying for a couple of years before he died. Before he died, I went through a period of reading a bunch of books on near death experiences (Raymond Moody), mediums, etc. Some of the stories were quite compelling, but there was always this thought that all of this could be just made up. And I also knew about Houdini exposing fake mediums because he had a test they all failed and have also seen how people can fish for answers. I figured even if someone can do it, there are bound to be fakes, and that people making money off of it are almost certainly fakes.

So I decided to make my own personal test, but didn't tell anyone, not even my father.

The test was this "what was our nickname for each other". We had a nickname that had nothing to do with our names, that couldn't be looked up, that went back to our love for sports and a writer in our home town newspaper. The writer's name was Charlie, he had a weekly predictions column. Not a single one ever came true. If he picked one of our teams to win, we knew we were doomed. Since we rooted against each other in football, when one of our teams would lose, the other one would say "way to go Charlie" or "way to go chuck" saying we jinxed them. When we called each other on the phone, we'd start the call with one saying "Charlie" and the other "Chuck" and end the call with "ok Charlie" and "ok Chuck".

His death crushed me. I spend sometime on a bereavement usenet news group (early internet thing that predates boards like this). On there was someone who said they were a medium there to help people. I really had my doubts, but asked my question (by email).

I expected an answer fishing for hints like you see the clear fakes do. Instead I got a reply with just one word. "Chuck" Of the two variations, that's the one I wanted. No way to look that up. Nobody to ask. Random person in a different part of the country who only had my email address and who didn't want anything from me. Nobody who knew me even knew I was on that usenet newsgroup or that I had asked the question.

That's my story. Information that I can't explain any other way than my father somehow being able to give this guy the answer after he died.
See, I’ve never had an experience like that, which has made it hard to believe in the supernatural, and I really want to believe since I think it would open my mind to all possibilities in regards to life and my perception of it. Granted it’s sucks that you had to lose your father to experience it, and I’m truly sorry for your loss even though it was 27 years ago, but I would imagine it opened your eyes to the possibilities of there being so much more out there.
 

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