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Violent video games are played in dozens, if not hundreds, of other countries, and yet none of them experience mass shootings with nearly the same frequency as the United States. Why do you suppose that is?
Access to guns.

We also didn’t have mass shootings at this level 30-40 years ago with similar weapons available.

What changed?
 

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Fuck Tucker Carlson and Fox news for being complicit for giving cover to white supremacy...


Also not like it goes against what the "FBI Director"(no idea if he was acting or not honestly) literally just testified to congress with in the last couple of months.
I’m not sure I understand. Tucker is a bit nauseating, but his point holds true.

While the El Paso shooter was a racist piece of shit, the thought was the Dayton shooter was targeting a specific set of people initially, and now we know the California shooter had a “hit list” with politicians on both sides of aisle.

The Dayton shooter is also now known as an Elizabeth Warren supporter......which, who gives a fuck IMO, except it should make people think twice about Trump supporters being the only capable people of these monstrous acts.

Even though a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder as many GOP Congressmen as he could during a charity softball practice, and a separate Bernie Sanders knifed people as much as he could on a subway in Portland.

The whole thing is weird to me.
 

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That question is best answered by analyzing who is engaging in these sorts of shootings.
Loner, white kids with access to 1st person shooter games, and online access to borderline crazy sites.

Now what?

I consider myself moderate (actually Libertarian) and I hate guns. Don’t own one, never will. I am in full support of a lot of suggested gun measures that would make obtaining a gun more restrictive.

One of my biggest issues will always be the “spin” around these situations when it seems crazy is running strong on both sides of aisle. Why do the numbers keep
Increasing year over year, and what can be done to stop it?

The whole thing is just tragic. Thing(s) need to change and things need to be done.
 

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I’m not sure I understand. Tucker is a bit nauseating, but his point holds true.

While the El Paso shooter was a racist piece of shit, the thought was the Dayton shooter was targeting a specific set of people initially, and now we know the California shooter had a “hit list” with politicians on both sides of aisle.

The Dayton shooter is also now known as an Elizabeth Warren supporter......which, who gives a fuck IMO, except it should make people think twice about Trump supporters being the only capable people of these monstrous acts.

Even though a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder as many GOP Congressmen as he could during a charity softball practice, and a separate Bernie Sanders knifed people as much as he could on a subway in Portland.

The whole thing is weird to me.

So fair to say since the numbers are about the same if not worse for the white supremacist lately, that you would say that the same about the Muslim terrorist numbers and that we don't need a Muslim ban then?


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terrorist-killings-government-focus-jihadis-islamic-radicalism.html
 

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Loner, white kids with access to 1st person shooter games, and online access to borderline crazy sites.

Now what?

I consider myself moderate (actually Libertarian) and I hate guns. Don’t own one, never will. I am in full support of a lot of suggested gun measures that would make obtaining a gun more restrictive.

One of my biggest issues will always be the “spin” around these situations when it seems crazy is running strong on both sides of aisle. Why do the numbers keep
Increasing year over year, and what can be done to stop it?

The whole thing is just tragic. Thing(s) need to change and things need to be done.
I don't know man, is there crazy on both sides of the aisle on this issue?

I keep hearing Conservatives say "both sides", but when 90% of the public wants more background checks, and other measures, 60% want an "Assault Rifle" ban; it isn't the Democrats that are bucking the trend. They are very much in step with what the large majority of people want.

It is GOP legislators consistently voting against even the wishes of their constituency on this issue of whom a big majority support increased scrutiny.

GOP legislators are talking moderately but voting extremist. 90% want more background checks and closing loopholes: GOP Congressmen oppose it. 90% are against full abortion bans: GOP State Houses vote for it. 78% of GOP voters were against the Tax Cut: GOP legislators pushed it through anyway.

The Right needs to start holding its legislators accountable for voting against their wishes. This stuff only happens because Republican voters give their elected officials blank checks and justify it with "both sides."

We don't even have Federally funded studies on Gun Violence because the craven cowards that are the Congressional GOP daren't defy the NRA in funding them.

This country needs good guys like you to tell your elected GOP guys to start voting for what you want, and not what rich donors or corporations want, or you'll vote the bums out.

It isn't "both sides" on many issues anymore; especially this one.

Edit: Here is a good article on this phenomenon of GOP legislators defying their voters on this issue, and that it has been going on for a couple decades now:

GOP Politicians Are Much More Resistant To Gun Control Than GOP Voters Are

"Polls show that Republican voters prioritize gun rights over gun control but aren’t universally opposed to restrictions on firearms. In fact, most Republicans support expanding background checks. Most back “red flag” provisions allowing the police to take guns away from people deemed dangerous by a judge. A majority support requiring a license to purchase a gun...

Don’t be surprised if that happens again. It’s not that Republican voters are adamantly opposed to gun control, as the data above shows. But the Republican Party as an institution is hostile to gun control measures."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-politicians-are-much-more-resistant-to-gun-control-than-gop-voters/
 
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I don't know man, is there crazy on both sides of the aisle on this issue?

I keep hearing Conservatives say "both sides", but when 90% of the public wants more background checks, and other measures, 60% want an "Assault Rifle" ban; it isn't the Democrats that are bucking the trend. They are very much in step with what the large majority of people want.

It is GOP legislators consistently voting against even the wishes of their constituency on this issue of whom a big majority support increased scrutiny.

GOP legislators are talking moderately but voting extremist. 90% want more background checks and closing loopholes: GOP Congressmen oppose it. 90% are against full abortion bans: GOP State Houses vote for it. 78% of GOP voters were against the Tax Cut: GOP legislators pushed it through anyway.

The Right needs to start holding its legislators accountable for voting against their wishes. This stuff only happens because Republican voters give their elected officials blank checks and justify it with "both sides."

We don't even have Federally funded studies on Gun Violence because the craven cowards that are the Congressional GOP daren't defy the NRA in funding them.

This country needs good guys like you to tell your elected GOP guys to start voting for what you want, and not what rich donors or corporations want, or you'll vote the bums out.

It isn't "both sides" on many issues anymore; especially this one.

Edit: Here is a good article on this phenomenon of GOP legislators defying their voters on this issue, and that it has been going on for a couple decades now:

GOP Politicians Are Much More Resistant To Gun Control Than GOP Voters Are

"Polls show that Republican voters prioritize gun rights over gun control but aren’t universally opposed to restrictions on firearms. In fact, most Republicans support expanding background checks. Most back “red flag” provisions allowing the police to take guns away from people deemed dangerous by a judge. A majority support requiring a license to purchase a gun...

Don’t be surprised if that happens again. It’s not that Republican voters are adamantly opposed to gun control, as the data above shows. But the Republican Party as an institution is hostile to gun control measures."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-politicians-are-much-more-resistant-to-gun-control-than-gop-voters/
I wonder if you took away the gun lobby money, if the GOP would be not so resistant to gun control.
 

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I wonder if you took away the gun lobby money, if the GOP would be not so resistant to gun control.
The money isn't that much when you look at the donation totals. It is that NRA seal of approval.

I think the rest of the GOP voters are being marginalized in favor of about 20% hardcore, single issue gun voters, who always vote in primaries.

They make up a big chunk of their reliable voters in rural districts. However, the GOP will lose suburban districts over this type of stuff. They got killed there in 2018 and things are not looking better in 2020. The NRA position is radioactive in suburbs where women and college educated voters are the difference between a win and loss. It is a fine line for the average GOP Congressman to walk.

But I do wish some of those guys would remember the point of being in DC in the first place, and that is to better the nation. And to lead, not follow.
 

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Loner, white kids with access to 1st person shooter games, and online access to borderline crazy sites.

Now what?

I consider myself moderate (actually Libertarian) and I hate guns. Don’t own one, never will. I am in full support of a lot of suggested gun measures that would make obtaining a gun more restrictive.

One of my biggest issues will always be the “spin” around these situations when it seems crazy is running strong on both sides of aisle. Why do the numbers keep
Increasing year over year, and what can be done to stop it?

The whole thing is just tragic. Thing(s) need to change and things need to be done.
Every study has dismissed the link between video games an violence.

So we should look deeper on these people, mostly white, male.

What is triggering them (no pun intended)?
 

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Every study has dismissed the link between video games an violence.

So we should look deeper on these people, mostly white, male.

What is triggering them (no pun intended)?
Plus, millions of people play these violent games, yet only a handful go on shooting sprees, and certainly not every mass shooter is also a gamer. I've been playing violent games since I was a kid and I don't even own a gun. I played a violent game yesterday, but shockingly it hasn't inspired me to go on a rampage.

But again, when you aren't interested in actually solving the problem, you need scapegoats. Republicans have been after video games for years because they are a convenient scapegoat.
 
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Access to guns.

We also didn’t have mass shootings at this level 30-40 years ago with similar weapons available.

What changed?
Technology, both the kind used to kill other things as well as the kind we use to communicate.

Social media and the internet make it easy for people to self-radicalize. Cesspools like the chan boards allow the absolute scum of society to remain anonymous while they post their manifestos, and while others cheer them on towards a murderous end. The deep web is full of similar places.

It also doesn’t help that we have a POTUS that spews divisive rhetoric on a daily basis, often using the aforementioned social media platform. He refuses to stop, knows that he whips his more extreme followers in a frenzy, and refuses to condemn it when it happens.

The GOP has been trying to blame gun violence on anything but guns since Columbine. Video games weren’t the culprit 20 years ago, and they sure as hell aren’t the culprit in 2019. It’s nothing but a lazy, convenient scapegoat to try and distract from the real issue.
 

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I wonder if you took away the gun lobby money, if the GOP would be not so resistant to gun control.
Follow the money. Follow the votes.

Patrick, McCarthy, and Trump have all received plenty of monetary and voter support from the NRA.
 

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