Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States

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  • He is Tremendous. So Strong, So Good

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • He's a Jackass But He Done Right By Me

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • He is a Disgrace and Will Be Remembered Poorly

    Votes: 24 61.5%
  • Can We Just Have a Normal POTUS?

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • I Live a Sheltered Life and I Don't Care

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Hillary Did It!

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • All Things Considered, I'd Prefer a Maine Coon as King

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
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"It doesn't matter what he says"

 

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"It doesn't matter what he says"

It doesn't so long as he is someone willing to push whatever agenda they want and by whatever means necessary. I suspect most would not tolerate his antics in other people, but in Trump this antics are a means to an end and therefore are not just to be tolerated but even embraced.

Moreover, I believe many of these people see themselves as victims, victimized by other people's intolerance of their intolerance. Trump is just the type person to fight their fight, even if he does it out of his own self-interest. It isn't that he is strong, but rather he is merely without shame. Sadly, the lack of shame is seen as a source of strength.
 

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It doesn't so long as he is someone willing to push whatever agenda they want and by whatever means necessary. I suspect most would not tolerate his antics in other people, but in Trump this antics are a means to an end and therefore are not just to be tolerated but even embraced.

Moreover, I believe many of these people see themselves as victims, victimized by other people's intolerance of their intolerance. Trump is just the type person to fight their fight, even if he does it out of his own self-interest. It isn't that he is strong, but rather he is merely without shame. Sadly, the lack of shame is seen as a source of strength.
This is exactly it, actually. Plus some conditioning and tribal identity.

I had a talk with an old friend that is a die-hard Trump guy, or at least was. The racist remarks were enough for him. But, the thing he kept returning to was the Left's "hate" and intolerance. He feels they hate Republicans and rural people and things they're better than them.

I told him people don't hate Republican voters or country folk simply for being so. I said, man, there are reasons and if you were in my shoes, or others, you'd be pissed too. When I explained that a lot of that anger at Republican voters were for some very specific reasons (X minority being targeted by the GOP for Y reasons) with specific examples, he actually relented and said that yeah, that makes sense. And I checked every box of people targeted by the GOP. It is a long list.

Of course, there is a shit-ton of projection at work there. But I can totally see why your average 25 year-old white kid, who has never said or done anything racist, could feel totally persecuted for stuff others have done. So we have the question of can we blame all GOP voters for the sins of a smallish plurality? Is blanket anger ever worthwhile?

Is it proper to be as intolerant toward those who spout off terrible things and are intolerant? Should we be ostracizing White Nationalists? He said no, everyone has a right to free speech. I said "It isn't about free speech if it isn't the government. This is about a society letting certain people that their views are unacceptable." I don't think we came to an agreement there.

Again and again, my friend says that he admired that Trump isn't PC, and doesn't care what people think. And that he says what he wants. It is empowering because who wouldn't want to say what they want? But even he acknowledges that much of what Trump says is very damaging and at this point it is a lot less funny.
 

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I guess Trump just spent 10 days on vacation (he has spent more time not working than any POTUS of the past 100 years, one would think a man running the free world would be busy*)... at his New Jersey golf club.

I think it is telling, that as POTUS he can go anyone in the US and have complete access. Beaches in Hawaii, all our national parks, anywhere.

And he goes to his own golf club. He always stays at his golf clubs.

The man has zero curiosity. Zero appreciation for natural beauty.

He's so narcissistic that he thinks his own creations are the only places in the world with visiting.


*Perhaps we're lucky he doesn't work much?
 

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*Perhaps we're lucky he doesn't work much?
Yea just imagine if he actually worked instead of tweeted during his extensive "executive time"? I'm not joking with that. As horrific as things are right now, it actually could be a lot worse if he worked to take action on the garage he spews from his mouth and fingertips.
 

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