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Donovan Mitchell: All-NBA BEST Team

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Grade the Trade

  • A+

    Votes: 73 25.6%

  • A

    Votes: 111 38.9%

  • B

    Votes: 61 21.4%

  • C

    Votes: 27 9.5%

  • D

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • F

    Votes: 8 2.8%
  • Total voters
    285
2 For The Brew said:
I was a math guy, went to a quant school, tutored advanced statistics and built my career on that foundation.

I was also taught a healthy skepticism of numbers and data which was deepened by work experience.

My school had a very smart current Dean who insists we need to be data informed, not data driven. I could not agree more.

You cannot reduce human beings to numbers. Nor can you reduce their performance to numbers. Corporate America does it, I’ve had to do it but in the end I don’t believe in it.

Basketball coaches today need to intelligently use analytics or they will get beat by those who do. Players need to understand numbers so they can get feedback on what shots are productive and what aren’t as well as other insights.

But our 13-0 team was built on culture. Our players are skilled but they’re also guys who are willing to sacrifice, willing to step up and bust their asses. Don’s closer mentality last night was not something you put in to a computer. He stepped up and sucked the oxygen out of every Sixer player and fan. Tristan Thompson’s locker room leadership isn’t something you can run a multiple regression on. Darius’ summer of hell to come back from two injury ravaged seasons which had made him EC Player of the Week is not on BB Ref.com. I love that site, I use data in my posts, but basketball in the end is about players not the numbers.
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I want to frame this. What a great post
 
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Sir'Dom Pointer said:
I have never seen Mitchell look so pedestrian after 10 games. The Cavs are doing what they are doing still without his contributions. He is not even close to putting all-star level impact, let alone superstar right now.


How would they look if he got to his averages?

Ty Jerome and Caris LeVert are playing like all-stars. Wonder how this is gonna work out if they regress to the mean and Donovan doesn't pick up his game. Or if they remain really impactful while Donovan also raises his game to his career averages. The question for me is, Can Donovan be as impactful as he can ultimately be when he is less of a volume scorer and ball handler?
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Chrck His PER36

He’s as productive as ever, just playing less minutes. And there have been plenty of first quarters where he started things off and staked us an early lead and several fourth quarters were he’s closed out.

There is an adjustment occurring for him, because frankly, what JBB wanted/was capable of in terms of an offense is perfect for Mitchell in terms of great stats and while still winning, but thankfully Don is such a gifted player and good dude/teammate, that he realizes how playing more within Kenny’s system for 80-90% of the time is in everyone’s best interest and then, If need be, Don can still start out a game or close out a game in that more traditional ISO lead guard scorer who also still creates a lot in the pick n roll and via dribble dive and kicks
 
Thelastcavsfan said:
Athleticism is a big part of what makes him special. It looks completely gone. What does he have one or two dunks this year? Has more missed dunks.
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What are you watching. The missed dunk in the first Bulls game was crazy athletic and twitchy. It rimmed out because of sheer velocity and unlikely physics but it was an explosive play all around

Don has so much athletic force tightly wound into his muscles that if he goes all out with for 82 games, he will wear down. And we saw that year. So he is being much more calculated in his play style to make sure he’s fresh when it counts. End of games and then in April.
 
World B ThAreee said:
I voted the trade an A back when they got him. I was way off. That tweet is spot on. Best trade in franchise history. A++++
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Cavs still owe three unprotected number one picks (‘25, ‘27, ‘29) and two unprotected first round pick swaps for the guy (‘26, ‘28) so while I don’t want to be Debbie Downer, the trade is hardly over yet. Cavs could still be on the hook for a lot of lottery picks.

But so far so good! Could hardly be heading into this part of the trade in better shape. I hope we give them a trio of #30 picks.
 
Douglar said:
Cavs still owe three unprotected number one picks (‘25, ‘27, ‘29) and two unprotected first round pick swaps for the guy (‘26, ‘28) so while I don’t want to be Debbie Downer, the trade is hardly over yet. Cavs could still be on the hook for a lot of lottery picks.

But so far so good! Could hardly be heading into this part of the trade in better shape. I hope we give them a trio of #30 picks.
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"A lot" of lottery picks? How so? Pretty much 0% chance the 25 pick will he lottery (duh) and at this point, close to 0% chance the 27 pick will be lotto. So maybe in 29, though less than 50% chance for that. At MOST, Utah will get one lotto for Mitchell. They were probably banking on Mitchell splitting after his current contract was up, but his reupping nearly guaranteed the Cavs fleeced Utah in this trade.
 
MirORich said:
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Chrck His PER36

He’s as productive as ever, just playing less minutes. And there have been plenty of first quarters where he started things off and staked us an early lead and several fourth quarters were he’s closed out.

There is an adjustment occurring for him, because frankly, what JBB wanted/was capable of in terms of an offense is perfect for Mitchell in terms of great stats and while still winning, but thankfully Don is such a gifted player and good dude/teammate, that he realizes how playing more within Kenny’s system for 80-90% of the time is in everyone’s best interest and then, If need be, Don can still start out a game or close out a game in that more traditional ISO lead guard scorer who also still creates a lot in the pick n roll and via dribble dive and kicks
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Why are you replying like 10 years after I wrote the message? Things have changed since then..

He has played differently and closer to how he played under JBB. His impact stats are gradualy improving. The more shots he takes, the better his impact is it seems. He is just such a ridiculous shot maker and he can seemingly create a comfortable shot for him whenever he wants.

I still see that he doesn't have the same pep in his step yet. At least vertically.

I do wonder if his impact stats can really get to superstar level if he finds a way to be a part of the offense rather than the offense at times. It's still fine when he goes off script and does his thing, but i'm curious if the Cavs can make Don, Garland and Mobley all be a focal part of the offense almost every trip down court. I think it's possible.
 
Douglar said:
Cavs still owe three unprotected number one picks (‘25, ‘27, ‘29) and two unprotected first round pick swaps for the guy (‘26, ‘28) so while I don’t want to be Debbie Downer, the trade is hardly over yet. Cavs could still be on the hook for a lot of lottery picks.

But so far so good! Could hardly be heading into this part of the trade in better shape. I hope we give them a trio of #30 picks.
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We have the Core 4 signed through '28. Unless we have a rash of serious injuries or disastrous trades, we won't be in the lottery until after that. Utah is going to have to get lucky with a first round pick in the 20's turning into a star (it does happen) or try to include a number of these picks in another deal to get into the high lottery. What they need the most is what they gave up and still don't have - a true star who they can build a contender around. And even if, for example, their 2027 pick becomes something special, it will take that player a minimum of 4 or 5 years to reach the level of leading a team into contention. At that point Utah will have spent a decade in the wilderness. That is a high price. It might still work for both teams, but its looking pretty dang good for us at the moment.
 
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