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Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

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petes999 said:
Instead of looking it as depth of starters, we really have a need for relievers. Even with Clase, healthy Kar (if he regains his form that bimbo blamed on injury), sandlin, Gose, Hentges, Allen (out of options) ...., you need Stephan as 7th reliever. Heck RR has Morgan as 8th guy for 13th pitcher. They will bring in more NRI along w Santos for 8th spot, maybe even Shaw, but to fill 2 spots on 40 man (as 7th/8th reliever) for Stephan to start in AAA means more 40 man cuts (baring trade). Guardians need to add Catcher, 8th reliever and possibly OF to 40 man with Naylor/ Vargas on 60 DL as first 2 freed up spots. No way do they give a 2nd 40 man roster spot to any off-the-street NRI reliever.

Do they cut Moss (as "their" plan) to add reliever for Stephan to be AAA starter? They are risking Cantillo for Moss, why cut him days after the Rule 5? They lost Mejia and risked Garza to keep Moss. No way do they do that, especially if, they had already seen a need for 2 relievers if Stephan is in AAA, when Mejia could have been 7th guy

Who else would you cut? Maybe Mercado ... Okay, but again, they need to add an OF NRI/FA in his spot instead (not a 2nd reliever) as its doubtful Kwan and Palacios are both added to Straw, Zimmer as our 3rd and 4th OF at the start of season. With Naylor on DL, Reyes as DH (spot OF maybe), they already will need a Clement, Jones or Rosario to take/fight for that 5th OF/utility mix (to go along with Straw, Zimmer, Mercado and one of Kwan/Palacios). Heck Mercado/Clement will probably be cut anyway for a FA OF (just keeping them as a placeholder/back up plan for now).

There is just no 40 man room for Stephan to be anything but a 7th reliever, baring a major trade which is less likely in a 3-4 week shortened ST to make plans accordingly. Sure, it can happen few days/week before season starts. But, do you prepare for a season, anticipating a possibility? No... Stephan will prep as a reliever.
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One error here... Moss has already been cut and is apart of the Phillies now....

Next, I really do think we will make a move away from the current roster. We have too many position players now and not enough proven MLB bats. I think at least one trade that is a 3-4 players for 1 is going to happen. This would create the spot to get a catcher and veteran RP. Also we have never been stingy about brining in veteran RP arms on minor league deals, so we will bring in as many arms as possible. Plus we don't know what guys like Broom, mean to the organization.

I actually expect someone out of LF in a sense to get a bullpen spot to start the season...
 
sportscoach said:
Between AAA and possibly the bigs...

Also I do think most of us are curious about the plan for Stephan..
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I would expect anything from 100-120, barring an injury. Shut down point is probably somewhere around 140, depending on the plan laid out for him in a few weeks (hopefully).

Also, what do you mean plan for Stephan?
 
BimboColesHair said:
I would expect anything from 100-120, barring an injury. Shut down point is probably somewhere around 140, depending on the plan laid out for him in a few weeks (hopefully).

Also, what do you mean plan for Stephan?
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Is he going to be a starter or reliever in 22? I know before we got him he was always a starter...
 
sportscoach said:
Personally I thought they were originally going to have him develop as a starter again this season and stretch him out during spring, but I have no qualms with either path...
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Way it’s shaking out, he’ll probably be one of their more experienced relievers they have coming in to the season.

But what they’re going to do with a few other guys as bullpen/swing starter options nipped your idea in the bud.
 
IP 2021

Myers..........117.2
Pilkington....100.2
Battenfield...103
Morris............61
Morgan.........111.2
Allen, jr..........111.1

Most IP in a season

Myers...........119
Pilkington.....129
Battenfield....103
Morris............ 89
Morgan.........140.3
Allen, jr..........111.1

Do the math and them tell me which one of these is prepared to step in on opening day and replace the above average production and innings we get from Civale and/or Plesac.

And before asserting that Civale, Plesac, and Bieber did it, so our present kiddies can and will....

The season before they got their shots in Cleveland....

Bieber threw 173.1 IP.
Civale............164.2
Plesac...........144.2

Bieber, Civale, and Plesac were all fast risers in the system.

These are their total IP before ever seeing Cleveland...

Bieber.....277
Civale.....381.1
Plesac....249.1

These are the total IP for our kiddies...

Myers............385
Pilkington......243.2
Battenfield....142.1
Morris............150
Allen, jr...........111.1

Anybody who asserts that we have quality rotational depth ready to step in and be as good as what we already have is whistling past the graveyard.

We may have quality depth (IMO we do), but it isn't ready yet, and it isnt close to what we have in our rotation right now.

Unless you think Plut....er....Morgan is a legit above average MLB SP.

As for Morris, he is a year away from being ready for competing for a spot in our rotation. First, he has to build up some innings.
 
CATS44 said:
IP 2021

Myers..........117.2
Pilkington....100.2
Battenfield...103
Morris............61
Morgan.........111.2
Allen, jr..........111.1

Most IP in a season

Myers...........119
Pilkington.....129
Battenfield....103
Morris............ 89
Morgan.........140.3
Allen, jr..........111.1

Do the math and them tell me which one of these is prepared to step in on opening day and replace the above average production and innings we get from Civale and/or Plesac.

And before asserting that Civale, Plesac, and Bieber did it, so our present kiddies can and will....

The season before they got their shots in Cleveland....

Bieber threw 173.1 IP.
Civale............164.2
Plesac...........144.2

Bieber, Civale, and Plesac were all fast risers in the system.

These are their total IP before ever seeing Cleveland...

Bieber.....277
Civale.....381.1
Plesac....249.1

These are the total IP for our kiddies...

Myers............385
Pilkington......243.2
Battenfield....142.1
Morris............150
Allen, jr...........111.1

Anybody who asserts that we have quality rotational depth ready to step in and be as good as what we already have is whistling past the graveyard.

We may have quality depth (IMO we do), but it isn't ready yet, and it isnt close to what we have in our rotation right now.

Unless you think Plut....er....Morgan is a legit above average MLB SP.

As for Morris, he is a year away from being ready for competing for a spot in our rotation. First, he has to build up some innings.
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I dont think Morris is a year away talent level wise, but he does need to limit his innings this seaso, so its hard to know if we can count on him late season if injuries happen...

Morgan I feel like is the best 6th starter candidate since he has the least amount of innings restrictions of the depth pieces and as the season go along, he was pitcher better and better. He still needs another pitch to offset his fastball-changeup combo and I think once he does that, he will be better than Plutko and Tomlin in my mind...

We for sure don't lack any talent when it comes to our arms, just they lost development time in 20... that hurt us more than anything else did
 
Gson said:
interesting posting.. a quick unpack..

1. Stephan's Role: RP.. the end.. as you've stated.. and it's a good role for him, tbh
2. Roster Construction: Three spots needed.. Two spots will be created from 60 day IL additions. So, the Guards need to clear one spot.. Logan S Allen / Oscar Mercado.. There could be two or three others.. This assumes no trades..
3. Catcher & corner OF'er remain as unanswered questions..

thoughts?
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Just remember, if we cut Allen Sr, that's another reliever we need added to 40 man. No qualms with cutting him if he cant cut it in ST as we have depth behind him, its just with few open 40 man spots, just no room to add NRI relievers without cutting someone else.

And, as Bimbo just hinted at, think Allen is one of those swing starters like Hentges. Even if just 2-4 innings due to not being streched out due to lack of AAA options.

And, yes we are not pushing Civale or Plesac out the door at start of year (or trade deadline if competing) as we need some veteran presence. Its young staff. Morris, Battenfield, Plinkton ... all need seasoning (short callups for injury). Yet, it will be interesting who our starters are mid-2023. 2-3 starters will be pushing/knocking on door and we will either trade someone or a McK or someone else who falters may be shifted to pen to make room. It will be put up or shut up time. Will be interesting.
 
Just something to consider:
As Cats44 pointed out above, some of those recent 40 man additions had limited IP in 2021. Depending how those arms (Myers/ Morris/ Pilkington) are doing in 2022, they might be options to help in the bullpen throughout the season as a method to manage their overall IP in 2022.
 
sportscoach said:
I dont think Morris is a year away talent level wise, but he does need to limit his innings this seaso, so its hard to know if we can count on him late season if injuries happen...

Morgan I feel like is the best 6th starter candidate since he has the least amount of innings restrictions of the depth pieces and as the season go along, he was pitcher better and better. He still needs another pitch to offset his fastball-changeup combo and I think once he does that, he will be better than Plutko and Tomlin in my mind...

We for sure don't lack any talent when it comes to our arms, just they lost development time in 20... that hurt us more than anything else did
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Morris isn't the only one that's not a year away talent level wise and they could control his IP. They've done it before. Very few SP log 200 IP these days and if Morris can go 120-140 IP then he'll be about 40 innings shy of a full season's worth. Can't help but think that at least one of Pilkington, Myers, or Battenfield is going to log significant innings as well. Although, there is the outside chance that LS Allen finally realizes his potential and claims a spot. As I mentioned before, I think Garza is another guy that has the potential to be a decent SP. We all know what Morgan is and isn't capable of. There is an outside chance that Espino gets promoted in the 2nd half, but that not only means he picked up where he left off in 21, but that this team is in contention.

They may not trade a SP, but they're not going to trade Espino either and that's who most teams will target. If that is the case then they'll either be dealing from the MIF depth, signing a FA or 2, and/or seeing what the internal options can do......again. We'll see what happens.
 
CDAV45 said:
Morris isn't the only one that's not a year away talent level wise and they could control his IP. They've done it before. Very few SP log 200 IP these days and if Morris can go 120-140 IP then he'll be about 40 innings shy of a full season's worth. Can't help but think that at least one of Pilkington, Myers, or Battenfield is going to log significant innings as well. Although, there is the outside chance that LS Allen finally realizes his potential and claims a spot. As I mentioned before, I think Garza is another guy that has the potential to be a decent SP. We all know what Morgan is and isn't capable of. There is an outside chance that Espino gets promoted in the 2nd half, but that not only means he picked up where he left off in 21, but that this team is in contention.

They may not trade a SP, but they're not going to trade Espino either and that's who most teams will target. If that is the case then they'll either be dealing from the MIF depth, signing a FA or 2, and/or seeing what the internal options can do......again. We'll see what happens.
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Espino is going to be nowhere near the big league club.. to many players in front of him on the depth chart for it. He is talented bit it's way to soon for it...
 
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