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Why would Baltimore wants Plesac? They aren't going to trade for a guy who will be expensive when they could possibly get into contention. If I was Baltimore I would just load up on a ton of prospects while trading the few big leaguers I have left... I would probably then bring in clubhouse leader veterans to help them develop, but focus is on the young talent.
Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol
 

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Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol
... and have done a rather poor job of it, imho.. The poor job wasn't solely their own doing.. there are three or four teams complicit in assuring the O's returns for their prospects and major league players were flawed.. some seriously.. The Guardians.. need to continue the O's tradition of stupid trades hallmarked from lousy returns..

I still wouldn't give up Gavin Williams for Hays.. now.. Our future (2024/5) rotation will be cobbled together from the group that includes Daniel Espino, Cody Morris, Gavin Williams, Carlos Vargas, Logan T Allen, Xzavion Curry, Lenny Torres and Ethan Hankins.. add in the bullpen back end duo of Karinchak & Clase, & these guys have a chance to rival the best pitching staff this franchise has had in over four decades..

There are better deals out there for corner outfielders.. e.g. Ryan Vilade of the Rockies.. They have been a good trading partner in the past.. no reason they can't be one again..
 

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Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol

I am agreeing with @Gson that Baltimore has done a bad job of the rebuild and they lack way too much pitching to acquire one pitcher who will be Arb eligible before they could even compete... my deal looks way better for Baltimore than yours, ask any Baltimore fan and they would choose my scenario over yours even if yours may win more in 22...
 

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... and have done a rather poor job of it, imho.. The poor job wasn't solely their own doing.. there are three or four teams complicit in assuring the O's returns for their prospects and major league players were flawed.. some seriously.. The Guardians.. need to continue the O's tradition of stupid trades hallmarked from lousy returns..

I still wouldn't give up Gavin Williams for Hays.. now.. Our future (2024/5) rotation will be cobbled together from the group that includes Daniel Espino, Cody Morris, Gavin Williams, Carlos Vargas, Logan T Allen, Xzavion Curry, Lenny Torres and Ethan Hankins.. add in the bullpen back end duo of Karinchak & Clase, & these guys have a chance to rival the best pitching staff this franchise has had in over four decades..

There are better deals out there for corner outfielders.. e.g. Ryan Vilade of the Rockies.. They have been a good trading partner in the past.. no reason they can't be one again..
Poor job or not, they've assembled some good talent and they are getting close to relevancy IMO. Their problem was the focus on position players before establishing a solid pitching staff with depth, but that's about to change. Positionally they have Mullins, Mountcastle, Mancini, Hays, Rutschman, and others with Stowers and Diaz on the cusp. They could use a MIFer or 2 and Freeman would be a great get for their organization. They could also use a solid, steady SP who will still be around after their prospects find their way.

I agree on the Williams for Hays trade. I was reluctant when I posted it and I'm still reluctant. I probably wouldn't give Williams up for Hays if it came down to it, but Hays is still a good fit for this team.

Vargas is likely a BP arm and you didn't mention any of Pilkington, Battenfield, or Myers. They'll be in the mix as well.

I want nothing to do with Vilade. They claim he has power, but he has yet to show it. He is not a "better deal" and I'd rather just go with Kwan or Palacios honestly.
 

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I am agreeing with @Gson that Baltimore has done a bad job of the rebuild and they lack way too much pitching to acquire one pitcher who will be Arb eligible before they could even compete... my deal looks way better for Baltimore than yours, ask any Baltimore fan and they would choose my scenario over yours even if yours may win more in 22...
You can agree with Gson if you like, it makes me no difference really.

Their rotation lacks experience for sure outside of Means, but you're crazy if you think they lack way too much pitching. They have some very nice pitching prospects ready to gain major league experience. Some of them already have. Plesac is 2 yrs younger than Means and reaches FA a year later. Means is due to make $3.25M in 2022 while Plesac is due to make $.6M. With the inclusion of Jones and Freeman I'd say that's a pretty good trade off. If they don't want to pay Plesac then they can deal him before he hits FA, but they need a steady presence in their rotation right now because it's filled with young guys trying to establish themselves.

If you're suggesting that Baltimore fans would prefer your deal of Jones and Battenfield for Hays and Baulmer, well no shit. What idiot Baltimore fan wouldn't make that trade? Problem is, Chernoff never would. Hays has got some pop and plays good defense, but his OBP leaves a little to be desired. Baulmer is a non-factor. Jones is a top 100 prospect on most lists and Battenfield probably should be and is damn close to being ready. He'd probably make Baltimore's rotation from the start of the season. Hays won't bring back that type of return. If that's what they are demanding then he'll be playing a corner OF in Baltimore in 22.
 

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You can agree with Gson if you like, it makes me no difference really.

Their rotation lacks experience for sure outside of Means, but you're crazy if you think they lack way too much pitching. They have some very nice pitching prospects ready to gain major league experience. Some of them already have. Plesac is 2 yrs younger than Means and reaches FA a year later. Means is due to make $3.25M in 2022 while Plesac is due to make $.6M. With the inclusion of Jones and Freeman I'd say that's a pretty good trade off. If they don't want to pay Plesac then they can deal him before he hits FA, but they need a steady presence in their rotation right now because it's filled with young guys trying to establish themselves.

If you're suggesting that Baltimore fans would prefer your deal of Jones and Battenfield for Hays and Baulmer, well no shit. What idiot Baltimore fan wouldn't make that trade? Problem is, Chernoff never would. Hays has got some pop and plays good defense, but his OBP leaves a little to be desired. Baulmer is a non-factor. Jones is a top 100 prospect on most lists and Battenfield probably should be and is damn close to being ready. He'd probably make Baltimore's rotation from the start of the season. Hays won't bring back that type of return. If that's what they are demanding then he'll be playing a corner OF in Baltimore in 22.

I was actually talking about doing the multiple deals not just the Hays one... trading everyone separately will get them a much greater return than doing your deal honestly... I got 3-5 SP prospects by trading those 4 (plus a minor leaguer) guys plus what 5 position prospects... your deal got 1 SP, 1 RP, 3 Position players for 3 of them... If I am running a rebuilding team, I'd take the 10 prospects for 5 over a 4 for 5 swap especially when all ten of the prospects will be in there top 30 prospects... most in their top 20...

Also Baulmers actually could be interesting... he's 19 coming off of Tommy John. So he will end up being a semi-clean slate for the Guardians development staff to work with. All I am doing in the deal is getting a lotto ticket back. I do it in every trade possible. I always pick up a minor league talent with upside if possible. Can never have too much talent ya know?

Baltimore only has 7 pitchers in their top 30 prospects btw... You need to be ten deep in SPs alone to have a good season, plus you need bullpen arms. Orioles do not have enough pitching to cover all those spots in their organization... We on the other hand have to throw the worst starters into the bullpen cause we really are lacking in bullpen pitchers...

I so wish we had a way to run franchises like on OOTP together so we would see who ends up with the better team in the end since we have way different philosophies on how to run an organization. I personally would laugh at that deal you offered if I was running Baltimore and counter one that you could trade for individual guys...
 

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