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Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

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If we traded for Mullins and Reynolds? Yeah we would honestly since that would cost us likely 8 of our top prospects plus some...
I am thinking Six. But we might still keep 3-4 of our highest rated.
Rcristal
 
How many present position playing Guardians who came up as prospects in our system have made a significant contribution at the MLB level?

One. Jose.

How many position playing Guardians that came up thru any system have made a significant contribution at the MLB level in any of his first three seasons in which he played at the MLB level?

Two...Amed and Franmil

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The last time we lopped off the top of the prospect tree, we went to extra innings of the seventh game of the WS and averaged 95 wins over the next five years.(prorated for 2020)

The total cost for that lopping was 1.5 fWAR over six seasons.

The rest of the top of that tree hasn't contributed much of anything, except for the one we received production from by trading him.

And we STILL have a top five farm system, in spite of all the doomsday predictions of what trading all those prospects was gonna do to our ability to compete, including mine at the time.

For 9.7 fWAR in two trades (Miller and Hand-Cimber) we gave up about 3 fWAR over the last six years. I want to make those kind of trades every other year.
 
I would not care to lose Valera.
Rcristal
I wouldn't care to lose any of our upper level prospects, but I care a lot less to be an also ran for the next two years, until our best players are gone, which will mean two or three years after that.

Do you know how many games having a top five farm system is gonna win for us?

Zero

Only MLB production wins baseball games.
 
Looking for Bobby Bradley to start the season hitting #5 is a HUGE risk..
The man runs such extremes of hot & cold at the plate it creates problems for CLE & the opposition.
If he is cold opposing teams will not give Reyes anything close to the plate & then the next domino falls as Reyes starts to press at the plate.
Agree in principle, but I’m going with what I’ve got and “begin the year” was the operative in the sentence.

Call it a discipline exercise. Reyes sees the least pitches in the zone on the club (subsequently one of the lowest rates in the league). The OOZ K’s need to be turned into BB at a much higher rate.

Would I rather have more disciplined hitters at 4 and 5? Yes.
 
For some reason I believe Bimbo told us the Pittsburgh asking price for Reynolds (alone) was all 3 of Espino/ Valera/ Rocchio along with 2 other prospects...

'No thanks' is the response from this corner of the peanut gallery.
Yes, the three plus. Which is what I took into consideration. If the process is not upsetting your stomach you’re likely not being realistic:)
My line was drawn at Rocchio or the place where you’re searching for alternatives and hence the third club.

Nonetheless I was hoping to generate some play. This off-season is boring as hell.
 
I wouldn't care to lose any of our upper level prospects, but I care a lot less to be an also ran for the next two years, until our best players are gone, which will mean two or three years after that.

Do you know how many games having a top five farm system is gonna win for us?

Zero

Only MLB production wins baseball games.

But we don't know what we have until they play in the pros either... trading all the guys away for two players isn't a very good idea. We have to decide who is on the keep list and movable list and go with it. We can afford to trade from the MIF and SP talent... but which ones are we willing to give up? If it's a no to Espino, then it's likely Reynolds, Mullins and Laureano are all out of trying to acquire them... I am okay with that. As a GM you have to stick with the prospects you feel will be apart of the nucleus of the future.

Hence why in all my scenarios I do more than one trade... I think Plesac to the Jays for 3-4 players including Guirrel and McGuire can at least break even and then doing prospects for a RF bat, puts this team better at the end of the day. I think the arms we have can replace Plesac and if we can get Laureano and Bassitt without giving up one of those nucleus going forward guys, then I think we do it.
 
@CDAV45

I am all for the move with the Cardinals.. just a question of are they gonna help in 22? I don't think Yepez, Vientos etc will on paper... I don't think there as major league ready as you believe.
 
Yes, the three plus. Which is what I took into consideration. If the process is not upsetting your stomach you’re likely not being realistic:)
My line was drawn at Rocchio or the place where you’re searching for alternatives and hence the third club.

Nonetheless I was hoping to generate some play. This off-season is boring as hell.

It sure is a boring one so far.

Premium upgrades will obviously be pricey in prospects, and that causes pause for some folks, I'm hesitant myself, but would be willing to go for it in most cases.....

Other options suggested include trading for other teams "excess" - which not bad probably doesn't significantly move the needle, unless we get "lucky"..

Speaking of getting lucky, let me enter the word that draws ire... REBUILD... Not "retool"... We don't need to tear down in order to do this, but we should expect growing pains and uncertainty as we let our own prospects try to establish themselves..

Current line up
C- Hedges/Leon/Lavastida - not ideal for a competing team
1B - Bradley/Chang/Naylor... It's Bobby's to lose, but he is far from a certain performer - and I like this kid
2B - Rosario/Gimenez/Chang/Miller - unless Rosario ends up in a corner or back at SS
SS - Gimenez/Rosario - after these 2 let Arias play.
3B - JRAM - Our only surefire infielder
CF - Straw - our only surefire OFer
RF - Zimmer/Reyes/Kwan/Palacios/OGonz
LF - see RF

Plenty of spots to upgrade - I'd rather not be cheap about it... That said - signing a quality FA or 2 - fills a couple spots AND allows us to keep most if not all our quality prospects.

I could go either way - trade for a stud or 2 or bank on our guys... Half steps don't interest me much trade-wise but free agent types (Joc/E.Rosario) sort of do.
 
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@Criznit I lean toward half step trade for catcher and half step FA signing for OF. With these two additions you noticably make the team better, for a cheap price. But I don't really know what's out there on the catching market. Not exactly a good sign that Berto signed for so much. I'm not into paying full price for a long-term option when we have 2 options already in the system unless we trade one of them in the deal.
 
@Criznit I lean toward half step trade for catcher and half step FA signing for OF. With these two additions you noticably make the team better, for a cheap price. But I don't really know what's out there on the catching market. Not exactly a good sign that Berto signed for so much. I'm not into paying full price for a long-term option when we have 2 options already in the system unless we trade one of them in the deal.
I could get on board for a 1/2 step at catcher, but rather step forward and go after W.C from the Cubs in this case. Finding anyone who can split time/take time from Hedges is a fairly difficult ask without having to "pay" for it.
1/2 step at outfielder.... Like Eddie Rosario?

You do realize you are essentially suggesting a regurgitation of last seasons starting lineup?

And I am fine with that for the most part.. We will likely be a non-playoff team, but we will get to keep most/all of our top prospects and some of them should get a chance to play in 2022 in this situation. If any of the young guys can step forward in 2022, we could end up formidable. Probably wont be until 2024-25 but who knows.

Walk on left, walk on right - walk in middle.....
 
@CDAV45

I am all for the move with the Cardinals.. just a question of are they gonna help in 22? I don't think Yepez, Vientos etc will on paper... I don't think there as major league ready as you believe.
Look at Yepez's OBP then look at his numbers. He's ready for an opportunity, but that doesn't mean he'll find success or consistency at the highest level. Hell, there are plenty of veterans than waiver in their performances. Look no further than Carlos Santana and Eddie Rosario. There are not guarantees. Vientos is the same. His OBP is very good. Both of these guys' power is what we need.

Sure, I'd rather sign Schwarber and Bryant then trade for a C and call it a day, but what do you think the chances of that are?
 
Personally - despite the differences in HR numbers, I like Palacios as a better option than Vientos or Yepez even though they are righties and Richie is a southpaw.

Edit. I like Yepez a ton more than Vientos FWIW
 
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I could get on board for a 1/2 step at catcher, but rather step forward and go after W.C from the Cubs in this case. Finding anyone who can split time/take time from Hedges is a fairly difficult ask without having to "pay" for it.
1/2 step at outfielder.... Like Eddie Rosario?

You do realize you are essentially suggesting a regurgitation of last seasons starting lineup?

And I am fine with that for the most part.. We will likely be a non-playoff team, but we will get to keep most/all of our top prospects and some of them should get a chance to play in 2022 in this situation. If any of the young guys can step forward in 2022, we could end up formidable. Probably wont be until 2024-25 but who knows.

Walk on left, walk on right - walk in middle.....
Yes, Eddie Rosario from the right

And yes a similar strategy to 2021 is what I am asking for. We traded away Luplow which left a hole. Fill the hole. I'm confident enough that Kwan/Palacios combined can find some way to fill Rosario's shoes.
 

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