Launching the continuing angle where JRam is not extended:
(Y) = 40 Man roster protection is required
(N) = 40 Man roster protection is not required
Note: These deal(s) net as no change to the 40 Man Roster Protection
Indians get:
Outfielders: Jo Adell (Y), Lourdes Gurriel Jr (Y) and Jordyn Adams (Y)
Infielder: Jordan Groshans (N)
Starting Pitchers: Sam Bachman (N) and Kyle Muller (Y)
Relief Pitcher: Ky Bush (N)
Catcher: Williams Contreras (Y)
Cash: $ 7 MM
The Indians sacrifice:
Jose Ramirez (Y)
Zach Plesac (Y)
Andres Gimenez (Y)
Ethan Hankins (Y)
Carson Tucker (Y)
Would you make a deal where the Guardians sacrifice these five guys for those eight guys and $ 7 MM in cash?
No, because we go backwards in 22 on paper... We trade an all-star 3B and a proven MLB MOR SP for Guirrel and a bunch of unproven players... We swapped a good 9+ WAR for 3 WAR and a million unknowns...
Guirrel and Adell I can deal with, but moving JRam and Plesac and only getting prospects (Adell to me is still one) plus one MLB proven back, we may as well trade Guirrel and Amed and plan for 23 not 22 since we lose our only legit 3 hole hitter...
Adams hasn't even proven he can hit in the minors, and he is Rule 5 Eligible, so I dont want him on paper at all, I'd rather just go Paris/Vera there since both guys have time before rule 5 and they are still very young. So Adams is a no for me...
William Contreras isn't as good of a prospect as Lavastida in all honesty. He doesn't improve hitting, defense etc. If anything he doesn't do anything well enough to stay in the bigs in my mind... I'd take him for cheap/throw in, but nothing more. I think he's gonna bust...
Langeliers I would take in a deal, but honestly I doubt Atlanta would part with him...
Groshans and Bachman on paper I am all for... Bush is borderline but the upside and whatnot is there, so I would definitely take him prospect wise...
Muller looks like Hentges in some ways, I think he flops as a starter. His walk ratio is way to high and that's not a normal target for the Indians at all. Normally they want high command guys...