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Why would Baltimore wants Plesac? They aren't going to trade for a guy who will be expensive when they could possibly get into contention. If I was Baltimore I would just load up on a ton of prospects while trading the few big leaguers I have left... I would probably then bring in clubhouse leader veterans to help them develop, but focus is on the young talent.
Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol
 
Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol
... and have done a rather poor job of it, imho.. The poor job wasn't solely their own doing.. there are three or four teams complicit in assuring the O's returns for their prospects and major league players were flawed.. some seriously.. The Guardians.. need to continue the O's tradition of stupid trades hallmarked from lousy returns..

I still wouldn't give up Gavin Williams for Hays.. now.. Our future (2024/5) rotation will be cobbled together from the group that includes Daniel Espino, Cody Morris, Gavin Williams, Carlos Vargas, Logan T Allen, Xzavion Curry, Lenny Torres and Ethan Hankins.. add in the bullpen back end duo of Karinchak & Clase, & these guys have a chance to rival the best pitching staff this franchise has had in over four decades..

There are better deals out there for corner outfielders.. e.g. Ryan Vilade of the Rockies.. They have been a good trading partner in the past.. no reason they can't be one again..
 
Because their rebuild is past the starting point and they'll be looking to be in contention in the next 2-3 yrs. They have already done what you think they should do. lol

I am agreeing with @Gson that Baltimore has done a bad job of the rebuild and they lack way too much pitching to acquire one pitcher who will be Arb eligible before they could even compete... my deal looks way better for Baltimore than yours, ask any Baltimore fan and they would choose my scenario over yours even if yours may win more in 22...
 
... and have done a rather poor job of it, imho.. The poor job wasn't solely their own doing.. there are three or four teams complicit in assuring the O's returns for their prospects and major league players were flawed.. some seriously.. The Guardians.. need to continue the O's tradition of stupid trades hallmarked from lousy returns..

I still wouldn't give up Gavin Williams for Hays.. now.. Our future (2024/5) rotation will be cobbled together from the group that includes Daniel Espino, Cody Morris, Gavin Williams, Carlos Vargas, Logan T Allen, Xzavion Curry, Lenny Torres and Ethan Hankins.. add in the bullpen back end duo of Karinchak & Clase, & these guys have a chance to rival the best pitching staff this franchise has had in over four decades..

There are better deals out there for corner outfielders.. e.g. Ryan Vilade of the Rockies.. They have been a good trading partner in the past.. no reason they can't be one again..
Poor job or not, they've assembled some good talent and they are getting close to relevancy IMO. Their problem was the focus on position players before establishing a solid pitching staff with depth, but that's about to change. Positionally they have Mullins, Mountcastle, Mancini, Hays, Rutschman, and others with Stowers and Diaz on the cusp. They could use a MIFer or 2 and Freeman would be a great get for their organization. They could also use a solid, steady SP who will still be around after their prospects find their way.

I agree on the Williams for Hays trade. I was reluctant when I posted it and I'm still reluctant. I probably wouldn't give Williams up for Hays if it came down to it, but Hays is still a good fit for this team.

Vargas is likely a BP arm and you didn't mention any of Pilkington, Battenfield, or Myers. They'll be in the mix as well.

I want nothing to do with Vilade. They claim he has power, but he has yet to show it. He is not a "better deal" and I'd rather just go with Kwan or Palacios honestly.
 
I am agreeing with @Gson that Baltimore has done a bad job of the rebuild and they lack way too much pitching to acquire one pitcher who will be Arb eligible before they could even compete... my deal looks way better for Baltimore than yours, ask any Baltimore fan and they would choose my scenario over yours even if yours may win more in 22...
You can agree with Gson if you like, it makes me no difference really.

Their rotation lacks experience for sure outside of Means, but you're crazy if you think they lack way too much pitching. They have some very nice pitching prospects ready to gain major league experience. Some of them already have. Plesac is 2 yrs younger than Means and reaches FA a year later. Means is due to make $3.25M in 2022 while Plesac is due to make $.6M. With the inclusion of Jones and Freeman I'd say that's a pretty good trade off. If they don't want to pay Plesac then they can deal him before he hits FA, but they need a steady presence in their rotation right now because it's filled with young guys trying to establish themselves.

If you're suggesting that Baltimore fans would prefer your deal of Jones and Battenfield for Hays and Baulmer, well no shit. What idiot Baltimore fan wouldn't make that trade? Problem is, Chernoff never would. Hays has got some pop and plays good defense, but his OBP leaves a little to be desired. Baulmer is a non-factor. Jones is a top 100 prospect on most lists and Battenfield probably should be and is damn close to being ready. He'd probably make Baltimore's rotation from the start of the season. Hays won't bring back that type of return. If that's what they are demanding then he'll be playing a corner OF in Baltimore in 22.
 
You can agree with Gson if you like, it makes me no difference really.

Their rotation lacks experience for sure outside of Means, but you're crazy if you think they lack way too much pitching. They have some very nice pitching prospects ready to gain major league experience. Some of them already have. Plesac is 2 yrs younger than Means and reaches FA a year later. Means is due to make $3.25M in 2022 while Plesac is due to make $.6M. With the inclusion of Jones and Freeman I'd say that's a pretty good trade off. If they don't want to pay Plesac then they can deal him before he hits FA, but they need a steady presence in their rotation right now because it's filled with young guys trying to establish themselves.

If you're suggesting that Baltimore fans would prefer your deal of Jones and Battenfield for Hays and Baulmer, well no shit. What idiot Baltimore fan wouldn't make that trade? Problem is, Chernoff never would. Hays has got some pop and plays good defense, but his OBP leaves a little to be desired. Baulmer is a non-factor. Jones is a top 100 prospect on most lists and Battenfield probably should be and is damn close to being ready. He'd probably make Baltimore's rotation from the start of the season. Hays won't bring back that type of return. If that's what they are demanding then he'll be playing a corner OF in Baltimore in 22.

I was actually talking about doing the multiple deals not just the Hays one... trading everyone separately will get them a much greater return than doing your deal honestly... I got 3-5 SP prospects by trading those 4 (plus a minor leaguer) guys plus what 5 position prospects... your deal got 1 SP, 1 RP, 3 Position players for 3 of them... If I am running a rebuilding team, I'd take the 10 prospects for 5 over a 4 for 5 swap especially when all ten of the prospects will be in there top 30 prospects... most in their top 20...

Also Baulmers actually could be interesting... he's 19 coming off of Tommy John. So he will end up being a semi-clean slate for the Guardians development staff to work with. All I am doing in the deal is getting a lotto ticket back. I do it in every trade possible. I always pick up a minor league talent with upside if possible. Can never have too much talent ya know?

Baltimore only has 7 pitchers in their top 30 prospects btw... You need to be ten deep in SPs alone to have a good season, plus you need bullpen arms. Orioles do not have enough pitching to cover all those spots in their organization... We on the other hand have to throw the worst starters into the bullpen cause we really are lacking in bullpen pitchers...

I so wish we had a way to run franchises like on OOTP together so we would see who ends up with the better team in the end since we have way different philosophies on how to run an organization. I personally would laugh at that deal you offered if I was running Baltimore and counter one that you could trade for individual guys...
 
Poor job or not, they've assembled some good talent and they are getting close to relevancy IMO. Their problem was the focus on position players before establishing a solid pitching staff with depth, but that's about to change. Positionally they have Mullins, Mountcastle, Mancini, Hays, Rutschman, and others with Stowers and Diaz on the cusp. They could use a MIFer or 2 and Freeman would be a great get for their organization. They could also use a solid, steady SP who will still be around after their prospects find their way.

I agree on the Williams for Hays trade. I was reluctant when I posted it and I'm still reluctant. I probably wouldn't give Williams up for Hays if it came down to it, but Hays is still a good fit for this team.

Vargas is likely a BP arm and you didn't mention any of Pilkington, Battenfield, or Myers. They'll be in the mix as well.

I want nothing to do with Vilade. They claim he has power, but he has yet to show it. He is not a "better deal" and I'd rather just go with Kwan or Palacios honestly.
Well.. we'll sort of disagree on this too..

What is it about Vilade that you don't like?.. that he doesn't hit forty bombs as a young 22 year old prospect?.. He has a cannon for an arm.. he runs well, but is no burner.... plays all three OF spots.. an RHH.. doesn't emulate a windmill?.. etc etc.. He has 1500 minor league at bats.. carrying a .290/.360/.780 triple slash.. Naturally, he's a line drive hitter that is coming into maturity.. He could very easily pair up with the Stevie Kwans and Richie Palacios to form an OBP monster core.. This is not to the exclusion of Kwan and Palacios.. and IT NEVER SHOULD BE.. these are the kinds of guys who push each other with the net results being everyone is better..

What is it about the deal for Vilade that you do like?.. ooh.. wait.. You didn't comment on the return to the Rockies.. because you didn't know......

He'll cost, one for one, someone like Angel Martinez..

Angel Martinez.. the Guardians fourth SS candidate.. !!!

For Ryan Vilade who is ML Ready or a plug & play guy.. Both he and Martinez fulfill both teams' needs? for the position they need and when they need the help:

Vilade..immediately
Martinez.. in 2023/4 ..

Too much risk?.. Would Tena and Burns for Vilade make more sense?.. Small deals like this keep the Guardians' reload option open..

You don't like the guy because he doesn't hit bombs and isn't Kwan/Palacios.... smh..
 
I was actually talking about doing the multiple deals not just the Hays one... trading everyone separately will get them a much greater return than doing your deal honestly... I got 3-5 SP prospects by trading those 4 (plus a minor leaguer) guys plus what 5 position prospects... your deal got 1 SP, 1 RP, 3 Position players for 3 of them... If I am running a rebuilding team, I'd take the 10 prospects for 5 over a 4 for 5 swap especially when all ten of the prospects will be in there top 30 prospects... most in their top 20...

Also Baulmers actually could be interesting... he's 19 coming off of Tommy John. So he will end up being a semi-clean slate for the Guardians development staff to work with. All I am doing in the deal is getting a lotto ticket back. I do it in every trade possible. I always pick up a minor league talent with upside if possible. Can never have too much talent ya know?

Baltimore only has 7 pitchers in their top 30 prospects btw... You need to be ten deep in SPs alone to have a good season, plus you need bullpen arms. Orioles do not have enough pitching to cover all those spots in their organization... We on the other hand have to throw the worst starters into the bullpen cause we really are lacking in bullpen pitchers...

I so wish we had a way to run franchises like on OOTP together so we would see who ends up with the better team in the end since we have way different philosophies on how to run an organization. I personally would laugh at that deal you offered if I was running Baltimore and counter one that you could trade for individual guys...
This paragraph is incomprehensible.. 5 minus 4 plus SP's in position players.. wut??????

Baulmers as a "throw in".. makes tons of sense.. any 19 year old that has a 3 pitch mix that throws all three for strikes.. is worthy of consideration.. Too bad about the UCL / Tommy John surgery.. being the athlete he is..he should be able to recover fully and come back as a grown up man.. BTW. I like the idea the Cleveland Pitching Factory has a reputation that it does.. Baumler may be a great beneficiary of the Cleveland pitching factory.. Also, agree 100 % that every deal the Guardians makes could/should have a lottery ticket attached.. It is best when the CleFO selects a guy they have looked at/scouted in the MiLB, as you've done.. btw..the next best would be a Competitive Balance Lottery Pick in the draft as the defactor "lottery ticket" compensation..

Baltimore's prospect listing.. has a few gems and a LOT of dead wood.. for a team that has been picking so high in the draft.. their player personnel / scouting department is atrocious.. BTW.. Yusniel Diaz might be their best OF prospect.. but only "might"..

OOTP.... wut?..
 
This paragraph is incomprehensible.. 5 minus 4 plus SP's in position players.. wut??????

Baulmers as a "throw in".. makes tons of sense.. any 19 year old that has a 3 pitch mix that throws all three for strikes.. is worthy of consideration.. Too bad about the UCL / Tommy John surgery.. being the athlete he is..he should be able to recover fully and come back as a grown up man.. BTW. I like the idea the Cleveland Pitching Factory has a reputation that it does.. Baumler may be a great beneficiary of the Cleveland pitching factory.. Also, agree 100 % that every deal the Guardians makes could/should have a lottery ticket attached.. It is best when the CleFO selects a guy they have looked at/scouted in the MiLB, as you've done.. btw..the next best would be a Competitive Balance Lottery Pick in the draft as the defactor "lottery ticket" compensation..

Baltimore's prospect listing.. has a few gems and a LOT of dead wood.. for a team that has been picking so high in the draft.. their player personnel / scouting department is atrocious.. BTW.. Yusniel Diaz might be their best OF prospect.. but only "might"..

OOTP.... wut?..

You misread what I said since I takes perfect sense to me I will reword it. Essentially I said Baltimore got 3-5 pitchers plus 5 position players for moving 4 players...CDav's deal for 3 of those players.plus a solid RP got 1 Sp, 1 RP, and 3 position guys. Which would you choose if you were Baltimore? 8-10 prospects (all likely on your top 30 list) for 4 players plus a minor league prospect or the deal CDav put up with Sandlin, Plesac etc...

I am looking at Baltimore's top 30 list as a quick reference and they lack pitching... I feel like they have some hitting talent and acquiring Lopez, Jones, etc I think could replace their production they lost in due time. I really don't think they can come even close to dealing with the juggernauts in the east with who they have now as prospects. Boston and Yankees have a great budget while the Rays have a good GM and scouting departments.

Cleveland at one point was where all the guys went to recover from Tommy John surgery... we have rehabbed a lot of guys over the years...

OOTP is Out of the park, it's a baseball simulator and the most realistic you can get when it comes to team management and whatnot. I get bored and run it so I feel like I could easily be a real life GM now haha. It be fun if we could face off against each other somehow to see how each of us would do running a team lol

I recently actually ran a playthrough as the GM of the Orioles and they are in bad shape in that game. It took a couple seasons to even get them even winning and moving in the right direction and this is coming from someone who is always making trades lol
 
Morgan may still develop, but he won't get taller....and the odds of a 5-10 SP ever becoming a solid rotation piece are so long that its not worth the effort, if an org has other options. Cleveland is an org that has other options.

If I was a scouting director, I wouldn't draft any 5-10 prospect as a SP. Its not that difficult to fathom.

A decade ago I was involved indirectly in college football recruitment in NE Ohio. Ohio State had a self imposed rule. The Buckeyes did not recruit any offensive tackle who was under 6-3, no matter how good he was. The way they looked at it, they might miss a good one, but the odds were so long that it wasn't worth wasting one out of their 85 allowed scholarships.
I'm no longer connected, but my guess is that the height limit has been raised.

While the fav comparison for Morgan is Tomlin, Josh was three inches taller.

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The question isn't whether Thomas is....or will be...a better player than Ward. Its much more involved than that.

If you look at both of their complete bodies of work, there is no doubt that Ward has been more productive. If you look at our roster needs, there is no doubt that Ward is a better fit. Thomas is strictly a LF, if he plays in Cleveland....while Ward can play all four corner positions.

Then you have to look at their present situations. Thomas is a starting OF on a team that is short on outfield options. Ward plays on a team that has no place for him to get regular at bats. Thomas is necessary to Washington, while Ward is expendable to Anaheim. (Thomas will cost more to acquire, but is less of a fit.)

I'd rather have Yepez than Thomas, although he would cost more than his supposed value, too....but not as much as Thomas. It may be that we could acquire both Ward and Yepez for what it would cost for Thomas.

I dont care about the age differences in this instance. But for those that do, why don't they care about the age differences between Morgan and the armada of arms that are right behind him?

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If you look at our projected pen, we have Clase, Karinchak, Sandlin, Stephan, Hentges, and Gose at the moment. Hentges and Gose are out of options. With only 17 pitchers on the 40 man, it is highly likely that at least two vet relievers will be brought in for a look-see....and Tito will certainly want some added experience in the pen.

Which brings us to Allen. He also is out of options. If there are no health issues in the rotation, what should be done with him?

IMO he doesn't seem to fit as a reliever. As a trade chip, his lack of an option limits his value. Would Tito and the FO be willing to put him in the pen, just in case a SP gets hurt? If so, it means that they view him as the #6.

But what value in trade does he really have? He's a lefty, and lefties, even if they are ineffective seem to have nine lives. He is young and does have a pedigree. He was a Top 100 in all four major ranking systems.

If he had an option left, he would undoubtedly be in the Columbus rotation. But we have a solid rotation and a plethora of close to MLB ready SP prospects. What orgs are not so blessed and would look at him as a legit immediate rotation option? And looking at him that way, what would they give for him now?

Trading Allen for a spare part or for the infamous future considerations could end up being the worst trade that we've made since whenever. Or it could be a nothing burger.

The Angels may be a team that may look at Allen as a legit immediate rotation option. Would either team be willing to trade a spare part (Ward) for Allen?

Would Baltimore see enough value in him to want him as part of a package for Hays?

Looking at Oakland and Arizona, Allen would certainly be a legit immediate rotation option.
 
Morgan may still develop, but he won't get taller....and the odds of a 5-10 SP ever becoming a solid rotation piece are so long that its not worth the effort, if an org has other options. Cleveland is an org that has other options.

If I was a scouting director, I wouldn't draft any 5-10 prospect as a SP. Its not that difficult to fathom.

A decade ago I was involved indirectly in college football recruitment in NE Ohio. Ohio State had a self imposed rule. The Buckeyes did not recruit any offensive tackle who was under 6-3, no matter how good he was. The way they looked at it, they might miss a good one, but the odds were so long that it wasn't worth wasting one out of their 85 allowed scholarships.
I'm no longer connected, but my guess is that the height limit has been raised.

While the fav comparison for Morgan is Tomlin, Josh was three inches taller.

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The question isn't whether Thomas is....or will be...a better player than Ward. Its much more involved than that.

If you look at both of their complete bodies of work, there is no doubt that Ward has been more productive. If you look at our roster needs, there is no doubt that Ward is a better fit. Thomas is strictly a LF, if he plays in Cleveland....while Ward can play all four corner positions.

Then you have to look at their present situations. Thomas is a starting OF on a team that is short on outfield options. Ward plays on a team that has no place for him to get regular at bats. Thomas is necessary to Washington, while Ward is expendable to Anaheim. (Thomas will cost more to acquire, but is less of a fit.)

I'd rather have Yepez than Thomas, although he would cost more than his supposed value, too....but not as much as Thomas. It may be that we could acquire both Ward and Yepez for what it would cost for Thomas.

I dont care about the age differences in this instance. But for those that do, why don't they care about the age differences between Morgan and the armada of arms that are right behind him?

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If you look at our projected pen, we have Clase, Karinchak, Sandlin, Stephan, Hentges, and Gose at the moment. Hentges and Gose are out of options. With only 17 pitchers on the 40 man, it is highly likely that at least two vet relievers will be brought in for a look-see....and Tito will certainly want some added experience in the pen.

Which brings us to Allen. He also is out of options. If there are no health issues in the rotation, what should be done with him?

IMO he doesn't seem to fit as a reliever. As a trade chip, his lack of an option limits his value. Would Tito and the FO be willing to put him in the pen, just in case a SP gets hurt? If so, it means that they view him as the #6.

But what value in trade does he really have? He's a lefty, and lefties, even if they are ineffective seem to have nine lives. He is young and does have a pedigree. He was a Top 100 in all four major ranking systems.

If he had an option left, he would undoubtedly be in the Columbus rotation. But we have a solid rotation and a plethora of close to MLB ready SP prospects. What orgs are not so blessed and would look at him as a legit immediate rotation option? And looking at him that way, what would they give for him now?

Trading Allen for a spare part or for the infamous future considerations could end up being the worst trade that we've made since whenever. Or it could be a nothing burger.

The Angels may be a team that may look at Allen as a legit immediate rotation option. Would either team be willing to trade a spare part (Ward) for Allen?

Would Baltimore see enough value in him to want him as part of a package for Hays?

Looking at Oakland and Arizona, Allen would certainly be a legit immediate rotation option.
InRe Allen: You're correct.. he does not have a lot of value.. TBH... a release for the purpose of signing in the far east (KBO, NPB, etc) might be in his best interest.. At least he would be able to get to pitch every fifth day..

Otherwise..meh..
 
Poor job... Vargas is likely a BP arm and you didn't mention any of Pilkington, Battenfield, or Myers. They'll be in the mix as well....
Vargas as an RP... the Guardians could do worse.. Because he'll be coming back from surgery, the Guardians will be a bit more careful about exposing him to a full load.. But, his age (22), option status (2 options remaining) & the stuff he showed before he was injured:

-a triple digit fast ball
-a nasty two plane slider
-a promising hint at a change up that fades nicely

..could give the Guardians enough reason to continue his development as a starter while recovering/IL during the first half of the 2022 season. The biggest issue Vargas has is his command.. he throws lots of strikes.. but not quality strikes, especially with a fastball that should be able to miss a lot more bats.. At the end of the day.. the CleFO may look at continuing his development as a starter.. promote him as a starter.. until he's not.. and that could be by the all star break..

Pilkington, Myers and Battenfield are unknowns to me.. I don't doubt they have a chance to be very good..but, I cannot be sure. I'll hold on adding insight into someone I haven't seen.. both in person and on line..
 
Well.. we'll sort of disagree on this too..

What is it about Vilade that you don't like?.. that he doesn't hit forty bombs as a young 22 year old prospect?.. He has a cannon for an arm.. he runs well, but is no burner.... plays all three OF spots.. an RHH.. doesn't emulate a windmill?.. etc etc.. He has 1500 minor league at bats.. carrying a .290/.360/.780 triple slash.. Naturally, he's a line drive hitter that is coming into maturity.. He could very easily pair up with the Stevie Kwans and Richie Palacios to form an OBP monster core.. This is not to the exclusion of Kwan and Palacios.. and IT NEVER SHOULD BE.. these are the kinds of guys who push each other with the net results being everyone is better..

What is it about the deal for Vilade that you do like?.. ooh.. wait.. You didn't comment on the return to the Rockies.. because you didn't know......

He'll cost, one for one, someone like Angel Martinez..

Angel Martinez.. the Guardians fourth SS candidate.. !!!

For Ryan Vilade who is ML Ready or a plug & play guy.. Both he and Martinez fulfill both teams' needs? for the position they need and when they need the help:

Vilade..immediately
Martinez.. in 2023/4 ..

Too much risk?.. Would Tena and Burns for Vilade make more sense?.. Small deals like this keep the Guardians' reload option open..

You don't like the guy because he doesn't hit bombs and isn't Kwan/Palacios.... smh..
I'm not worried about "40 bombs", hell he doesn't even hit 10. He basically hits the ball over the fence once every 53.5 AB. At 6'2" and 226 lbs the ball should be leaving the park a lot more and/or he should be piling up doubles. On top of that he's not expected to be anything but average defensively in the OF. I tend to go with the idea that if you can't mash then you better provide some good production defensively. If you can mash then the lack of defense is more acceptable even if undesirable.

From what I can tell Angel Martinez could be a very special player and he doesn't have to be on the 40 man for a few years(correct me if I'm wrong please). Selling on him now for a prospect like Vilade would be selling low on him IMO.

Kwan and Palacios are just better hitters and defenders. I think Tena might be even better than them. If they trade Burns it should be in a package for a better, more established player IMO. I haven't written that in stone, but ideally that's how I'd like to see him used. He's a very good SP prospect.

If you don't like Thomas or Hays that's fine. We all have our opinions, but I don't share your enthusiasm for Vilade.
 
Vargas as an RP... the Guardians could do worse.. Because he'll be coming back from surgery, the Guardians will be a bit more careful about exposing him to a full load.. But, his age (22), option status (2 options remaining) & the stuff he showed before he was injured:

-a triple digit fast ball
-a nasty two plane slider
-a promising hint at a change up that fades nicely

..could give the Guardians enough reason to continue his development as a starter while recovering/IL during the first half of the 2022 season. The biggest issue Vargas has is his command.. he throws lots of strikes.. but not quality strikes, especially with a fastball that should be able to miss a lot more bats.. At the end of the day.. the CleFO may look at continuing his development as a starter.. promote him as a starter.. until he's not.. and that could be by the all star break..

Pilkington, Myers and Battenfield are unknowns to me.. I don't doubt they have a chance to be very good..but, I cannot be sure. I'll hold on adding insight into someone I haven't seen.. both in person and on line..
If I were you I would look into all of Pilkington, Myers, and Battenfield. Check their numbers, their ages and the associated levels. Check their physical presence. Watch some videos and look at their mechanics. I'm not suggesting any of the 3 are frontline SP, but they certainly have MOR potential through and through. Compare their minor league performances to our current major league SP's.

I don't think the idea of Vargas as a SP should be scrapped. I just meant that with the current SP depth, his arm, and him being on the 40 man probably makes him a likely BP addition for the 22 season at some point. I thought he was further along in his TJS recovery and that he could be an option on opening day if they chose to use him. Admittedly, I could be mistaken.
 

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