Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

[PPark]

There’s a couple interesting prospects in the proposal but I wouldn’t call it an overpay. If I were Cherrington I’d turn it down. I wouldn’t put much stock in the rankings of the prospects within any clubs system.

 

[CATS44]

I dont see how this clears any roster spots for the Fish. Only one needs added in 2022. Two are 18 yr olds.

 

[CATS44]

I dont see how this clears any roster spots for the Fish. Only one needs added in 2022. Two are 18 yr olds.

That would be a haul for the Pirates, but how much value can you put in two teenagers who are at least three years away?

Does Pittsburgh really want to push their rebuild that far back? Is it sellable to whats left of the fan base? Pittsburgh would be accepting a lot of risk, even in the risky business of baseball prospects. To trade Reynolds, they have to come up with something to show the fans.

I dont think there is any way to comp that offer to what we have.

Maybe Espino, Angel Martinez, Carson Tucker, and Hankins?

I dunno.

 

[CATS44]

As GM, I have been doing my due diligence on those 'impact' players that might be available in trade.

First on the list is Ketel Marte, certainly a big name.. and on a lot of wish lists.

But is Marte a cure for what ails this team? I have my doubts.

Marte is 28 yrs old and has played in seven seasons. As I look at his track record, I see one season in which he was truly elite. In the other six, I see Amed Rosario.

I also have read recent comments from the Arizona GM that infer that Martes production has been hurt by being forced to play out of position, and the DBacks are thinking of putting him back at second base full time...and I'm not looking for a 2B.

And I know its gonna cost me $26.4 mil over the next three years to have him, plus a big cost in prospects.

And I ask myself, would I spend $26.4 mil plus a bundle of prospects for three years of Amed?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Anyone else find this message a little cryptic?

I'm reading that as the Tribe being very unsure if Tito will be back. Kind of two layers of doubt built into that language.

 

[sportscoach]

I'm reading that as the Tribe being very unsure if Tito will be back. Kind of two layers of doubt built into that language.

I feel like it was, Francona is the manager as long as he is healthy...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I'm feeling Tito will be back if at all possible. Regardless of what he says publicly, "All Time Winningest Indians Manager" would look nice on a placque in Cooperstown.
Plus next season will be important because of name change, stadium upgrade plans, increased payroll, search for minority owner, big trades, and hopefully a return to contention.

 

[Gson]

That would be a haul for the Pirates, but how much value can you put in two teenagers who are at least three years away?

Does Pittsburgh really want to push their rebuild that far back? Is it sellable to whats left of the fan base? Pittsburgh would be accepting a lot of risk, even in the risky business of baseball prospects. To trade Reynolds, they have to come up with something to show the fans.

I dont think there is any way to comp that offer to what we have.

Maybe Espino, Angel Martinez, Carson Tucker, and Hankins?

I dunno.

HUGE value.. teenagers or not..these guys aren't being picked from the long line at the BMV... they're bona fide blue chippers..

 

[CDAV45]

I think the Indians would want another prospect and if I was the Angels I'd rather have a Miller or Chang than Jet for 22 since most of the MIF prospects are farther away than the OF prospects. Though the Angels also need to get rid of some cap and contracts since their starting OF is old (Fowler and Upton)... That being stated that way, getting Jet and Kwan makes some sense if ya lose Adell, but they don't have a SS honestly either for 22....

I never thought the Angels was a good match, I dont like Stassi over Perez even if the price of Stassi is financially lower, plus with the age of Upton, Lagares and Fowler, I am thinking they don't want to move Adell or Marsh since on paper they should mix well with a healthy Trout... Plus none of their top prospects currently (outside of Detmers) are even close to the pros... I know they want a SP, but trading away an asset that's MLB ready when you don't have a proper replacement doesn't make sense to me. I think they will target an MLB SP, but it wouldn't be for Adell...

Give them their choice between Chang, Miller, and Johnson. That's of little consequence to Cleveland. Plesac's value is equal to Stassi and Adell at this time, so I see no reason to include Kwan if Tito and Co. would like to see what he can do.

Not liking Stassi over Perez is your choice, but you have no factual grounding to stand on. Add in the fact that Perez will cost twice as much under his current agreement, can't stay on the field, and absolutely sucks offensively then the facts continue to stack up against your preference. Stassi is already decent defensively, especially in the pitch framing department, but I'd like to see him under Sandy's tutelage. My guess is he becomes even better behind the dish.

The Angels have Upton, Marsh, Trout, Fowler, Lagares, Ward, and a guy named Ohtani along with 3 of their top 10 prospects being OFers. They have plenty of OFers.

I don't know if the Angels FO is willing to deal Adell or Stassi, but they would be upgrades for this team based on their performances, and Plesac would be an excellent get for them. They would improve their rotation without investing hoards of cash allowing them to add more pitching or whatever they deemed necessary. Yeah, it's absolutely a match, but that doesn't mean it will or should happen.

 

[CATS44]

HUGE value.. teenagers or not..these guys aren't being picked from the long line at the BMV... they're bona fide blue chippers..

There is a huge difference between 18 yr old blue chip baseball players and 18 yr old blue chip football players.

Besides, blue chip baseball prospects are in the 60-65-70 category.

The question IMO is not how good these kids MIGHT be four or five years from now. Its how good IS Reynolds right now and how good will he be over the next four years....and what does his acquisition mean for my team in that time span.

Lastly, remember that we traded blue chippers a lot closer to MLB for Miller and Hand. And we also traded for blue chippers in Marte, Knapp, LaPorta, and Escobar. Also, we had a real blue chipper in Adam Miller.

Those blue chippers all were shiny baubles that hid cow dung.

If I'm the GM of the Marlins, and I think that Reynolds can put me at the top of the heap in the NL Central for four years, I'm thinking really hard on that kind of trade.

 

[Gson]

There is a huge difference between 18 yr old blue chip baseball players and 18 yr old blue chip football players.

Besides, blue chip baseball prospects are in the 60-65-70 category.

The question IMO is not how good these kids MIGHT be four or five years from now. Its how good IS Reynolds right now and how good will he be over the next four years....and what does his acquisition mean for my team in that time span.

Lastly, remember that we traded blue chippers a lot closer to MLB for Miller and Hand. And we also traded for blue chippers in Marte, Knapp, LaPorta, and Escobar. Also, we had a real blue chipper in Adam Miller.

Those blue chippers all were shiny baubles that hid cow dung.

If I'm the GM of the Marlins, and I think that Reynolds can put me at the top of the heap in the NL Central for four years, I'm thinking really hard on that kind of trade.

there's a difference between sports.. thanks for that info.. smh..

Reynolds won't be any more than marginally better than he is right now.. you can take that to the bank.. He just needs to stay healthy and he'll be the kind of player that's worthy of two blue chippers (50+ FV.. your 60+ number is invalid).. This is still a HUGE haul for the Buccos..

Miller, Hand, CC etc. are not Reynolds.. comparing them as if they are some how connected is a fallacy.. It's a great deal for the Buccos.. one that Cherrington should make if offered..

 

[sportscoach]

Give them their choice between Chang, Miller, and Johnson. That's of little consequence to Cleveland. Plesac's value is equal to Stassi and Adell at this time, so I see no reason to include Kwan if Tito and Co. would like to see what he can do.

Not liking Stassi over Perez is your choice, but you have no factual grounding to stand on. Add in the fact that Perez will cost twice as much under his current agreement, can't stay on the field, and absolutely sucks offensively then the facts continue to stack up against your preference. Stassi is already decent defensively, especially in the pitch framing department, but I'd like to see him under Sandy's tutelage. My guess is he becomes even better behind the dish.

The Angels have Upton, Marsh, Trout, Fowler, Lagares, Ward, and a guy named Ohtani along with 3 of their top 10 prospects being OFers. They have plenty of OFers.

I don't know if the Angels FO is willing to deal Adell or Stassi, but they would be upgrades for this team based on their performances, and Plesac would be an excellent get for them. They would improve their rotation without investing hoards of cash allowing them to add more pitching or whatever they deemed necessary. Yeah, it's absolutely a match, but that doesn't mean it will or should happen.

Stassi isn't close to being an upgrade over Perez... The 19 season Perez had was statistically one of the best seasons ever for a catcher defensively plus his offensive numbers were greater overall than Stassi's best season as well. Stassi doesn't have a good enough track record to let Perez go for a 3ish million dollar difference... if the Angels actually had another good catcher, Stassi would like be non-tendered since his contract would be too high for an average bat, with okay defensive metrics that cannot stop the running game period...

Upton and Fowler are putting up a mix of bad numbers at an old age... I'd be very surprised if they are on the 22 team plus Lagares has a career OPS under .700 and 22 is his age 33 season plus he is a free agent I believe...

So now you are going into 22 with Marsh, Trout, Adell, Ward while Walsh had become the everyday 1B... plus they don't have a good prospect above AA in 21...

 

[Gson]

Truth be told.. a $ 7 MM Bebo.. or a $ 3-4 MM Stassi isn't desired by any club including the ones they currently play for.. It's all about what is additional to these guys.. like Adell..

The question is.. Is Adell plus Stassi (& Hedges..) better than keeping Plesac & Miller/others? This, knowing full well that serious flaws existed for the Indians in 2021 with corner OF'er(s) and offense provided by catchers. Is there a better use of Plesac as a tradeable resource?..

 

[sportscoach]

Truth be told.. a $ 7 MM Bebo.. or a $ 3-4 MM Stassi isn't desired by any club including the ones they currently play for.. It's all about what is additional to these guys.. like Adell..

The question is.. Is Adell plus Stassi (& Hedges..) better than keeping Plesac & Miller/others? This, knowing full well that serious flaws existed for the Indians in 2021 with corner OF'er(s) and offense provided by catchers. Is there a better use of Plesac as a tradeable resource?..

Most of the teams that want Plesac are honestly going to be contenders so most won't want to give up much MLB talent... so getting a blocked young MLB talent is really the most likely get with prospects added for Plesac...

Hence why I did two trades and likely it would have to be a three way trade/two separate moves to get the talent a lot of us are wanting...

Adell plus Stassi minus Perez And Plesac I don't think is going to move the needle enough to even merit making the move... Angels aren't going to give up any other MLB talent as well in the deal.

 

[Gson]

Most of the teams that want Plesac are honestly going to be contenders so most won't want to give up much MLB talent... so getting a blocked young MLB talent is really the most likely get with prospects added for Plesac...

Hence why I did two trades and likely it would have to be a three way trade/two separate moves to get the talent a lot of us are wanting...

Adell plus Stassi minus Perez And Plesac I don't think is going to move the needle enough to even merit making the move... Angels aren't going to give up any other MLB talent as well in the deal.

hmmm...

what happened to: 3) this is a place for your personal ideas and good discussions, if you don't like the other person's ideas, to bad so sad, keep it to yourself!

where's the counter?.. lol..