Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

[sportscoach]

hmmm...

what happened to: 3) this is a place for your personal ideas and good discussions, if you don't like the other person's ideas, to bad so sad, keep it to yourself!

where's the counter?.. lol..

I cast counterspell! Your logical argument is now invalid lol

Hmm...

As a GM, if I was offered Stassi, Adell plus two 19 year old prospects for Plesac I'd probably turn it down. I want to keep Roberto and Hedges!

Only player I'd want from the Angels honestly would be Walsh... I'd probably go Plesac, Arias, Kwan, Bradley and Tanner Burns for Adell, Walsh, SS Paris/Vera

What do you think about that counter?

 

[PPark]

there's a difference between sports.. thanks for that info.. smh..

Reynolds won't be any more than marginally better than he is right now.. you can take that to the bank.. He just needs to stay healthy and he'll be the kind of player that's worthy of two blue chippers (50+ FV.. your 60+ number is invalid).. This is still a HUGE haul for the Buccos..

Miller, Hand, CC etc. are not Reynolds.. comparing them as if they are some how connected is a fallacy.. It's a great deal for the Buccos.. one that Cherrington should make if offered..

A bird in the hand….

If I were Cherrington I’d looking to reduce my risk but at least we’ve established a starting point in Max Meyer.

The quickest route to relevancy for the Pirates is through their rotation. So that is where I’d go next—-the Marlins rotation. We’re still in 5 player deal territory though more likely a 3/2 configuration rather than 4/1.

 

[CATS44]

The chances that an 18 yr old prospect even gets to MLB is well below 30%. The chances that an 18 yr old SP gets to MLB is less than that.

The odds that a drafted prospect gets to MLB are under 18%

The odds that a first round pick gets to MLB are 73%.

Second round...51%.

Third round.. 40%.

Thats only talking about GETTING to the Majors....not producing.

Less than 10% of drafted players ever record 0.1 WAR.

And, older prospects with some college have a better shot, simply because there is less time to get hurt before being MLB ready. This is esp true for pitchers. (Which is one reason the Tribe drafts college pitchers and HS hitters)

As an international free agent, you have to figure one into a draft position...and figure his chances from there.

While the proposed Marlins offer may have high trade value, it has much less actual baseball value...and there is a difference.

If as the Guardians GM, I could make that kind of trade for Reynolds...a trade that included two 18 yr olds...I'd think real hard about pulling the trigger, because I'm only thinking three/four years ahead....and Reynolds looks like four years of under priced baseball value.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The chances that an 18 yr old prospect even gets to MLB is well below 30%. The chances that an 18 yr old SP gets to MLB is less than that.

The odds that a drafted prospect gets to MLB are under 18%

The odds that a first round pick gets to MLB are 73%.

Second round...51%.

Third round.. 40%.

Thats only talking about GETTING to the Majors....not producing.

Less than 10% of drafted players ever record 0.1 WAR.

And, older prospects with some college have a better shot, simply because there is less time to get hurt before being MLB ready. This is esp true for pitchers. (Which is one reason the Tribe drafts college pitchers and HS hitters)

As an international free agent, you have to figure one into a draft position...and figure his chances from there.

While the proposed Marlins offer may have high trade value, it has much less actual baseball value...and there is a difference.

If as the Guardians GM, I could make that kind of trade for Reynolds...a trade that included two 18 yr olds...I'd think real hard about pulling the trigger, because I'm only thinking three/four years ahead....and Reynolds looks like four years of under priced baseball value.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Tei4vQRbwGCcprAG9
Bob Feller beat the odds.

 

[CATS44]

I won a poker hand once by drawing to an inside straight while staring at a possible flush.

But I've lost a lot more money than I won in that pot.

 

[CATS44]

A few that didn't beat the odds...

Knapp
Adam Miller
Steve Dunning. Remember him, .3 WAR in seven years?
David Huff...1.3 WAR in eight seasons.

The list if highly thought of young SP prospects that ended up having no baseball value is endless.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You know, I assume Gose is not going to make the 40 man.
But he's starting to grow on me. I thought he was just going to be a novelty. But he's consistently at 100 with ability to locate it. He's definitely got a serious attitude about pitching.
If I was another team looking for a MLB ready bullpen arm, I might take him. If he makes it through the Rule 5, I could see him competing with Karinchak next season. Gose has one power pitch, but seems more consistent than Karinchak.

 

[CDAV45]

Stassi isn't close to being an upgrade over Perez... The 19 season Perez had was statistically one of the best seasons ever for a catcher defensively plus his offensive numbers were greater overall than Stassi's best season as well. Stassi doesn't have a good enough track record to let Perez go for a 3ish million dollar difference... if the Angels actually had another good catcher, Stassi would like be non-tendered since his contract would be too high for an average bat, with okay defensive metrics that cannot stop the running game period...

Upton and Fowler are putting up a mix of bad numbers at an old age... I'd be very surprised if they are on the 22 team plus Lagares has a career OPS under .700 and 22 is his age 33 season plus he is a free agent I believe...

So now you are going into 22 with Marsh, Trout, Adell, Ward while Walsh had become the everyday 1B... plus they don't have a good prospect above AA in 21...

This is nothing short of bs, but you're entitled to your opinion. If you can even claim that "Stassi isn't even close to being an upgrade over Perez" then this conversation isn't even worth having. At this point, Hedges is a better option than Perez, but you keep those blinders on. 2019 was 3 yrs ago by the way and it was an anomaly for Perez. Don't believe me then just look at his numbers. That season sticks out like a turd in a punchbowl. Go ahead and hang onto that season if that's what you want to do. Me, I know Perez isn't close to being worth what he's paid and can't stay healthy.

 

[CATS44]

We keep ignoring defense and the handling of a pitching staff.

Berto is the best.

 

[Gson]

You know, I assume Gose is not going to make the 40 man.
But he's starting to grow on me. I thought he was just going to be a novelty. But he's consistently at 100 with ability to locate it. He's definitely got a serious attitude about pitching.
If I was another team looking for a MLB ready bullpen arm, I might take him. If he makes it through the Rule 5, I could see him competing with Karinchak next season. Gose has one power pitch, but seems more consistent than Karinchak.

From Gose's first outing where he could only get his FB over, 1.1 IP, to last night.. quite a jump in performance.. He has another dozen games to see if this is a mirage.. or he's really getting command and control of that biting slider.. If he is.. then watch as the eyebrows rise and the smiles persist.. He'd be a more than adequate replacement for our older, less effective RP's..

We'll see..

 

[CATS44]

We sure do love small sample sizes and inexperience...

It appears that the members of this forum insist on putting 50 guys on a 40 man roster.

 

[Gson]

Only 40.. a few over once the deadline passes and the deeply injured can be stashed..

SSS is a given.. and cannot be mitigated.. whining about it.. is a fools errand..

 

[sportscoach]

We keep ignoring defense and the handling of a pitching staff.

Berto is the best.

And Anyone else who wants to chime in...

Stassi vs Berto, you're take on this since it feels like me and @CDAV45 have way to big of a different opinion to agree on anything when it comes to those two...

 

[sportscoach]

This is nothing short of bs, but you're entitled to your opinion. If you can even claim that "Stassi isn't even close to being an upgrade over Perez" then this conversation isn't even worth having. At this point, Hedges is a better option than Perez, but you keep those blinders on. 2019 was 3 yrs ago by the way and it was an anomaly for Perez. Don't believe me then just look at his numbers. That season sticks out like a turd in a punchbowl. Go ahead and hang onto that season if that's what you want to do. Me, I know Perez isn't close to being worth what he's paid and can't stay healthy.

Eh... let's put this argument another way, list the pros and cons in your mind for both players...

Berto

Pros
GG catcher
Knows the pitching staff very well
Plus power and patience at the plate
Rarely has PBs and rarely allows SBs

Cons
Doesn't stay healthy
Only one season of production hitting wise
Cost 7 million in 22 on a cash strapped team

Stassi

Pros
League averagish bat (better than Berto)
Good reciever and framer
Better health record than Berto
Cheaper than Berto

Cons
Can't throw and average blocking the ball
Doesn't know the pitching staff
Overpriced in 22 for his production.

To me that's how I rank these two... Berto is the better defender and knows the staff. Stassi is the better hitter, but in my mind his defense doesn't compare to Berto when he cannot throw out a runner and doesn't stop the ball as well in the dirt. Both are huge cons in my mind...

Your turn to do the pros and cons of these two guys @CDAV45

 

[CATS44]

Stassi will make about $3 mil next year.

Berto isn't gonna get $7 mil from the Guardians...more like $5 mil, whether with the Guardians or somebody else.

Berto won't cost us any prospects in trade.