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Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team

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Is Evan Mobley the Greatest Player of All Time?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 21 17.1%
  • Yes

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • YAAASSS!!!

    Votes: 36 29.3%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 25 20.3%

  • Total voters
    123
Would you guys rather have Barnes or Mobley right now?
I’d take Mobley’s diminishing potential over current Barnes at the moment…If this is as good as it gets for Mobley then I would take what Barnes is now since he’s a better overall player.

I don’t see Barnes having the ability to hit another level however— I think Mobley has the potential to do so and if it clicks, then it’s real scary.

So it’s a gamble.
 
So where I disagree with this is that we every player to be a super aggressive ball dominant player. Mobley is a perfect fit because he is willing to play the backline role and can assert himself when needed. He is a monster defender now which already puts him in the star tier.

His offense is a work in progress and will take some time to develop. He is a bigman/oversized wing. This development curve is not like a guard who suddenly gets the keys to offense and sees a massive increase in touches and counting stats. Mobley is on a perfectly fine trajectory and will be the long term ticket for this franchise.

The idea that every star has to think like MJ is stupid. You can be a quiet leader and be very very successful. Look at Timmy. Mobley is more in that camp (personality wise). This fanbase just has 0 patience since the last two star rookies we got basically started at 80% (Kyrie) of their peak or where the GOAT (LeBron).
 
I'd still take Mobley, I actually don't really see it with Barnes, I don't see an all star, but I guess I'm wrong.

Mobley is still a savant on defense and really at least a positive on offense. He's obviously not an elite scorer, but he could also quietly score 35 points on high efficiency.

I'm not sure if he zones out sometimes or if he just gets ghosted on offense...I guess we will see.
 
exactly
There is a huge difference between Bam & Mobleys minutes in year 1 & 2. Bam came off the bench for 2 years and was rarely fed the ball even after he became a starter. We’ve been feeding Mobley minutes and opportunities since the 1st day he put on a Cavs jersey. Mobley ought to be way ahead of where Bam was in year 3.
we have not FED mobley
Just completely disagree.

His 3pt attempts are irrelevant to me cause he should be a mismatch inside. We’re also looking at a kid that has slow mechanics with his jump shot and release. Unless he’s open it’s not going to make a difference. This isn’t a catch and shoot big— or a screen setter and flair out three point shooter (say like Rasheed Wallace used to do or Anthony-Towns of today)

What we have here (and that’s fine as well) is a DeAndre Ayton caliber of player— and I’d argue Ayton is more assertive and aggressive…

Mobley (unless he’s just force fed the ball down the road) is your 17-18pts 8-10rbs kind of player. And that’s going to be whether he’s a 4th option, 2nd option etc or maybe even a main option.

The lack of assertion and dominance at this stage is telling. I don’t see a desire to be dominant and to destroy the opponent- demanding the ball in crunch time- wanting to be the man…

So the whole next Embiid talk has sailed completely… He’s a role/complimentary player that can impact a game in a variety of ways.

He is no star tho… And he won’t be…

That’s a shame tho cause the talent and intangibles are there.
He NEEDS more shot attempts/post ups. Also his Defense is his best quality, so if we can get 17ppg 10/rpg 2bpg 3-4apg from him it's key.

What contract does he deserve though/will get? Will we pay him the max?
 
I'd still take Mobley, I actually don't really see it with Barnes, I don't see an all star, but I guess I'm wrong.

Mobley is still a savant on defense and really at least a positive on offense. He's obviously not an elite scorer, but he could also quietly score 35 points on high efficiency.

I'm not sure if he zones out sometimes or if he just gets ghosted on offense...I guess we will see.
He gets ghosted.
 
All i know is this summer someone from the team needs to be with him daily to make sure he’s doing everything he can to improve his game and body. I don’t know what the fuck he was doing in his free time this past off season.
 
So where I disagree with this is that we every player to be a super aggressive ball dominant player. Mobley is a perfect fit because he is willing to play the backline role and can assert himself when needed. He is a monster defender now which already puts him in the star tier.

His offense is a work in progress and will take some time to develop. He is a bigman/oversized wing. This development curve is not like a guard who suddenly gets the keys to offense and sees a massive increase in touches and counting stats. Mobley is on a perfectly fine trajectory and will be the long term ticket for this franchise.

The idea that every star has to think like MJ is stupid. You can be a quiet leader and be very very successful. Look at Timmy. Mobley is more in that camp (personality wise). This fanbase just has 0 patience since the last two star rookies we got basically started at 80% (Kyrie) of their peak or where the GOAT (LeBron).
The part that sucks is this guy with that build and potential skillset is who you want or need to have that mentality tho.. He wouldn’t be able to be stopped with the guard play and shooting around him.

I don’t think anyone is confusing him being aggressive on the court with his personality demeanor. Jokic is not necessarily a demonstrative type- hell, he acts like he hates playing basketball all together…

But, make no mistake about it, like Jokic, Tim Duncan (and even David Robinson a
Decade earlier), their games were/are aggressive and those stat lines reflected it…Folks used to kill David Robinson for being passive and the guy was 1000000000000x the player Mobley is.

I don’t think the coaching staff is holding Evan back—at some point he just needs to take it instead of it waiting to come his way. Pretty sure his coaches and teammates wish he was further along… Hell, if Mobley was a top 5 big man right now the Cavs would no doubt be the favorites to represent the East and arguably the favorites to win the title in June…
 
All i know is this summer someone from the team needs to be with him daily to make sure he’s doing everything he can to improve his game and body. I don’t know what the fuck he was doing in his free time this past off season.

He says he is working on "everything" every summer. That might not be the right approach. He should probably be working on specific things
 
The part that sucks is this guy with that build and potential skillset is who you want or need to have that mentality tho.. He wouldn’t be able to be stopped with the guard play and shooting around him.

I don’t think anyone is confusing him being aggressive on the court with his personality demeanor. Jokic is not necessarily a demonstrative type- hell, he acts like he hates playing basketball all together…

But, make no mistake about it, like Jokic, Tim Duncan (and even David Robinson a
Decade earlier), their games were/are aggressive and those stat lines reflected it…Folks used to kill David Robinson for being passive and the guy was 1000000000000x the player Mobley is.

I don’t think the coaching staff is holding Evan back—at some point he just needs to take it instead of it waiting to come his way. Pretty sure his coaches and teammates wish he was further along… Hell, if Mobley was a top 5 big man right now the Cavs would no doubt be the favorites to represent the East and arguably the favorites to win the title in June…
Again, I dont see why Evan doesnt have that. You can be a quiet killer. I think we have seen this from him a number of times (eg. Mil game last year, Pacers this year). He is willing to defer but can put his foot on the gas when needed. Id rather have that than a pure chucker like Paolo or Jalen Green
 
He gets ghosted.

He gets ghosted because he kinda stinks at creating offense. Yeah our guards can get tunnel vision and yeah we need to get the bigs more involved in the flow of the offense at times because both EM and JA have shown decent passing ability. And I would love to scheme in some opportunities for Mobley to develop offensively and I wish he would have had those opportunities over the past 2.5 years.

But this is so, so, so far from "this guy is shooting efficiently so we need to get him more shot attempts by giving him the ball more." He's just not capable of doing that, and he wasn't capable of doing that in college either. I reckon he has as many self-created buckets where he flashes offensive potential as he has awkward possessions that are turnovers or could-have-been-turnovers-but-he-fumbled-it-to-a-different-Cav.
 
Feeding him minutes, yes.

Opportunities? I'm going to strongly disagree. He's spent his entire career on a team prioritizing winning games. This isn't the old Pelicans who just spent tons of time dumping the ball to Davis and forcing him to figure it out.

Mobley entered the league as one of the best defensive players in the NBA, so he's earned minutes from the start. His attempts and touches have never been even 3rd on the team, let alone higher.

And yet, he's statistically improved every single season.
He hasn't gotten the kinds of touches that a Cade Cunningham has gotten or what Wemby is getting, but we absolutely have run lots of sets designed to get Mobley the ball from day 1. Very often, especially early in the game, it is obvious that we are trying to get Mobley touches. The problem is that he has such a limited offensive game beyond 3 ft that either he takes himself out of the offense or we run out of things to run for him beyond "go to the rim and dunk". The game last night against the Mavs is a great example. Mobley took 5 shots in the first 5 minutes - 5 of our first 10 shots were Mobley. We were prioritizing getting Mobley shots. He went 1-5 and that 1 was a dunk. From there on he only take 6 more shots in 23 minutes, only one of which is outside of the lane (which he missed). Mobley has averaged 11.8 FGA per game for his career. While not a heavy load, almost 12 shots per for a guy with so little offensive game is pretty substantial.
 
I’d take Mobley’s diminishing potential over current Barnes at the moment…If this is as good as it gets for Mobley then I would take what Barnes is now since he’s a better overall player.

I don’t see Barnes having the ability to hit another level however— I think Mobley has the potential to do so and if it clicks, then it’s real scary.

So it’s a gamble.
Why do you think Barnes reached his ceiling? I think the kid can be Leonard 2.0.

As for Mobley, i don't see him being better than Bam. I think Bam is his ceiling but coming out the draft everyone was thinking Garnett.
 
Again, I dont see why Evan doesnt have that. You can be a quiet killer. I think we have seen this from him a number of times (eg. Mil game last year, Pacers this year). He is willing to defer but can put his foot on the gas when needed. Id rather have that than a pure chucker like Paolo or Jalen Green
Right! Nobody wants a pure chucker and that’s not what is being discussed.

The Cavs don’t need him to put the foot on the gas when it’s needed. They need him to put the foot on the gas cause that’s what it will take most likely to win a title.
 
Why do you think Barnes reached his ceiling? I think the kid can be Leonard 2.0.

As for Mobley, i don't see him being better than Bam. I think Bam is his ceiling but coming out the draft everyone was thinking Garnett.
Because after he’s lost a lot of the talent and options that were in front of him he’s not made a substantial leap in production.

I think next season however will be the full review on Barnes because he should go in as a top option. He’s played well enough to be considered to be as well. But he has to bring something better to the table.

Whereas Mobley has yet to demonstrate that. I think if you put Barnes on the Cavs he plays his way to the 2nd option after Mitchell— even if the Cavs featured both him and Mobley on the roster together.

Whereas if you put Mobley on the Raptors- I’m not convinced he’d play himself into a bigger role than what he is currently has with the Cavs. Maybe they 15-10 goes up a tick but nothing that would suggest he was really being held back in Cleveland…
 

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