I think we can all agree if he’s not averaging at least 27ppg by year four, he is a failure.
I found year 2 Garland more impressive. Just my opinion though. At the conclusion of Garlands sophmore season...wasn't he projected to be likeliest to have a breakout 3rd year? - And did he ever. I would like to see a big game from Mobley tonight- maybe 20 & 10- sprinkled with 2 blocks and maybe only one traveling violation.Weird to think a fan base that watched Darius Garland develop would have such a lack of patience.
All jokes aside- if he doesn't become top 3 of his draft class would you be disappointed? I would. Not devastated obviously- but I mean-our chance at a ring lies on his shoulders. DG & Spida, while not completely finished products, seem to be pretty close to their peaks. Mobley is the wild card. It is for this reason I am the most emotionally invested in his progress and why I loiter around on this thread.Exactly if he isnt Giannis in 10 years, he was a waste of a pick.
I found year 2 Garland more impressive. Just my opinion though. At the conclusion of Garlands sophmore season...wasn't he projected to be likeliest to have a breakout 3rd year? - And did he ever. I would like to see a big game from Mobley tonight- maybe 20 & 10- sprinkled with 2 blocks and maybe only one traveling violation.
All jokes aside- if he doesn't become top 3 of his draft class would you be disappointed? I would. Not devastated obviously- but I mean-our chance at a ring lies on his shoulders. DG & Spida, while not completely finished products, seem to be pretty close to their peaks. Mobley is the wild card. It is for this reason I am the most emotionally invested in his progress and why I loiter around on this thread.
Fair enough. I recognize Garlands limitations on D. He is about as inept defensively as Mobley is offensively and that is not hyperbole. With that said, I still maintain that Garland>Mobley year 2. Garland also seems to be a leader. Ya i know-intangibles are silly to rate but there is something to be said for leadership aptitude. Mitchell also has this trait. Frankly, Mobley looks scared, passive,& indifferent at times.Then it's just my opinion you aren't seeing the entire game at all, and only one side of the ball.
There's a reason that as soon as Mobley stepped on the court in his rookie year the Cavs went from a bottom 10 defense to a top 10 defense and an awful 25 win team to an above .500 team and there's a reason that in Garland's second year they sucked ass.
The difference was Evan Mobley.
People can see different things, but if you thought Garland in his 2nd year was better than Mobley is right now, it's wrong...
Fair enough. I recognize Garlands limitations on D. He is about as inept defensively as Mobley is offensively and that is not hyperbole. With that said, I still maintain that Garland>Mobley year 2. Garland also seems to be a leader. Ya i know-intangibles are silly to rate but there is something to be said for leadership aptitude. Mitchell also has this trait. Frankly, Mobley looks scared, passive,& indifferent at times.
Mitchell is a leader amongst men...that we can agree with. Yes, Mobley has anchored the defense, alongside his sidekick Allen. I am probably in the minority when I say this but...I would choose Garland over Mobley for the next 10 years. I just love the kid and everything he brings to the table as a young point guard. But Mobley should breakout anytime now...and I will be thrilled.Garland is most definitely not a leader in the way Mitchell is and is prone to falling apart when the rest of the team does, compounding the issues with some awful TOs right when the team needs him to settle them down.
But that's neither here nor there.
For three straight years they were bottom 5 defensive team. For three straight years, they were a sub 30 win team and over those three years they had the worst cumulative record in the entire NBA.
And mind you, early on in one of those years they acquired Jarrett Allen and that made roughly zero difference on the team W/L record.
And then Mobley joined the team and transformed the defense.
There was no such transformation with Garland. Not in his rookie year. Not in his second year. Just looked like a rudderless team with little hope for the future and no star level prospect on the roster.
Garland is a good player today, but if he's leading your team, you're in trouble.
I think of Detroit. Cunningham has a lot of pretty stats and has an aesthetic game but his impact on winning and losing right now is downright negative.
As soon as he got hurt, Detroit starting playing better ball, and it's not coincidence.
I feel like this is a wild take. Garland is awesome but his skillset is way more common and replaceable.Mitchell is a leader amongst men...that we can agree with. Yes, Mobley has anchored the defense, alongside his sidekick Allen. I am probably in the minority when I say this but...I would choose Garland over Mobley for the next 10 years. I just love the kid and everything he brings to the table as a young point guard. But Mobley should breakout anytime now...and I will be thrilled.
KG | 28 minutes | 10 points | 6 rebounds | 2 assists |
Mobley | 33 minutes | 15 points | 8 rebounds | 2 assists |
Per 36 Minutes | Evan Mobley | Kevin Garnett |
PTS/G | 15.4 | 15.7 |
TRB/G | 9 | 7.4 |
AST/G | 2.6 | 2.8 |
STL/G | 1.1 | 1.3 |
BLK/G | 1.4 | 2 |
I am glad we can disagree and still discuss this in a civil manner. I agree with many of your points. I am still taking Garland. Is that really that wild? I would venture to think that there are others on this board who would take Garland over Mobley. They must exist.I feel like this is a wild take. Garland is awesome but his skillset is way more common and replaceable.
How many mobile weakside defenders that can switch out and anchor a defense are there? How many of those guys perfectly read offensive flow and are 21? How many guys are there that can both drop and attack the screen? How many of those guys show legitimate passing vision and tremendous instinct on the other side of the floor?
Also think its ridiculous to say Mobley isn't a leader. Everyone on the team says he is the leader of the defense. There are multiple ways to lead. Timmy did it quietly . Mobley does it that way too. Not everyone has to be an asshole like MJ or Kobe