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Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team

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Is Evan Mobley the Greatest Player of All Time?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 21 17.1%
  • Yes

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • YAAASSS!!!

    Votes: 36 29.3%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 25 20.3%

  • Total voters
    123
The D Rating in those 4 games is excellent.

However….

PHI was without its tops two scorer/playmakers(Harden/Maxey)
DET, bad enough at full strength, was without Cunningham, Ivey, and Bogdanovic
ORL w out Suggs, Bamba, Carter, Okeke, and Gary Harris
TOR was working back a few injured played and still beat us by 12.

Now overall, we still won 3 out of those 4 and we were dealing with our own absences and returns, so I am not being critical or taking anything away from the results or what they might mean.

But when looking for trends in small sample sizes, it’s important to examine all the context before making big assertions,.

So while I believe e it’s a big plus that we have had this nice stretch on D with Mobley at the 5, I do not think it is a definitive indicator that that is the best version of the Cavs for 5s year or moving forward. Could it be? Perhaps, but I don’t think this stretch shows enough and there is so much regular season and playoff basketball to be played to determine that sort of thing,
 
The D Rating in those 4 games is excellent.

However….

PHI was without its tops two scorer/playmakers(Harden/Maxey)
DET, bad enough at full strength, was without Cunningham, Ivey, and Bogdanovic
ORL w out Suggs, Bamba, Carter, Okeke, and Gary Harris
TOR was working back a few injured played and still beat us by 12.

Now overall, we still won 3 out of those 4 and we were dealing with our own absences and returns, so I am not being critical or taking anything away from the results or what they might mean.

But when looking for trends in small sample sizes, it’s important to examine all the context before making big assertions,.

So while I believe e it’s a big plus that we have had this nice stretch on D with Mobley at the 5, I do not think it is a definitive indicator that that is the best version of the Cavs for 5s year or moving forward. Could it be? Perhaps, but I don’t think this stretch shows enough and there is so much regular season and playoff basketball to be played to determine that sort of thing,
I'm ecstatic to see our defense with JA out the last several games, even if our opponents were also short handed. You can only play the squad in front of you. It gives me hope for the rotations when JA has to sit for normal rest moving forward. But there isn't any substitute for having both JA and Evan out there together, terrorizing the paint. I think they can reach a level of being an elite defensive unit that will be able to hold their own against the best, most seasoned offenses, in playoff intensity competition.
 

How the Cavaliers are having Evan Mobley follow the Giannis blueprint​

Jamal CollierESPN

EVAN MOBLEY steps beyond the 3-point line to set a screen for Donovan Mitchell, a two-man tandem the Cleveland Cavaliers hope will carry them into the future.

It's the first quarter during a matchup against the Milwaukee Bucks -- the first of two November road tests for the young Cavs against the veteran Bucks -- and the pick-and-roll is executed to perfection. Mobley gives Mitchell an edge over Bucks guard Jevon Carter and then the Cavs 7-footer goes racing toward the rim with both Carter and Brook Lopez focused on Mitchell.

A bounce pass splits the defenders and gives Mobley the momentum as he heads toward the basket. The last obstacle in his way slides over: Giannis Antetokounmpo.

However, on this exchange, the 21-year-old gets the better of the two-time MVP. Antetokounmpo's attempt to help is too late, and by the time he jumps, Mobley is throwing down a two-handed dunk.

Although Mobley and the Cavaliers jumped out to an early advantage in this first meeting, the Bucks and Antetokounmpo came away victorious in both games, winning by 15 points each time.

"They turned it up to a level that we haven't seen, we haven't experienced," Mitchell said. "That's playoff basketball."

Despite dropping both games to the Bucks, the Cavaliers are off to a 15-9 start this season, good for third place in the Eastern Conference with the fourth-best net rating in the NBA. But what sets the Bucks apart is the presence of Antetokounmpo. His evolution from scrawny, little-known rookie to the league's best player has given Milwaukee an edge -- and given Cleveland a blueprint for what it would like to do with Mobley as he and the Cavs challenge the Bucks for Eastern Conference dominance.


WHEN GIANNIS ANTETOKOUNMPO came into the league, he was far from "the Greek Freak," the player who'd win two MVP awards and Defensive Player of the Year and end the Bucks' 50-year title drought.

He was an 18-year-old, 6-foot-9, 190-pound kid fresh out of Greece before he became one of the best players of his generation, undergoing one of the most radical body transformations the NBA has ever seen in the process.

Last season, after Mobley's first matchup with Antetokounmpo, the Cavaliers showed him pictures of a young Antetokounmpo, and the message was clear.

"If you do these things, this is the transformation that you can make and the impact that it has on your game," Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff told ESPN. "It was kind of a window in the future for him."

Bickerstaff was clear not to put too much pressure on Mobley. He wasn't setting the expectation that Mobley will win multiple MVP awards or become a perennial All-Star starter. He was simply establishing Antetokounmpo as the prototype for the modern NBA player, and urging Mobley to use him as a template for what was possible for a player with a similar skill set and body type.

"[Mobley] has a ton of respect for the players that are great in this game and he is competitive enough to want to be better than them," Bickerstaff said. "But he also respects their journey and how they got there and is not afraid to take things from them. He takes immense pride in being himself. He doesn't want to be the next Giannis or the next whoever, he wants to be Evan Mobley. But he is willing to watch people's commitment and match and exceed their
commitment, so that he can be the best that he can be."


Even Antetokounmpo acknowledges the mission for the Cavs is more complicated than simply telling Mobley, "Go be like Giannis."

"People my size cannot move the way I move. I just try to perfect it as much as I can because I understand it's a difference-maker," he said. "I understand the way I move, the physicality I bring to the game, it's big. I've seen people before me, MJ, Kobe, KG, LeBron, Shaq, all those guys they were like, had to be physical. It wasn't only skill, they were very physical players.

Still, Mobley doesn't have nearly as far to go as Antetokounmpo did in the early stages of his career. He was the No. 3 recruit in the class of 2020, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2021 draft, and a full-time starter from day one with the Cavaliers. He averaged 15 PPG in his first season and finished as a runner-up in Rookie of the Year voting.

Antetokounmpo's path to stardom was longer and more unlikely. He played in Greece's second division before being drafted 15th overall in 2013, coming into the NBA as a relative unknown.

"I didn't know who Giannis was until he was Giannis," Mobley, who turned 12 a few days before Antetokounmpo was drafted, told ESPN.

In his second year in the NBA, the same stage Mobley is in now, Antetokounmpo was still an unfinished product. At 20 years old, he averaged 12.7 points, 6.7 rebounds and 2.6 assists for a 41-win Bucks squad. His body transformation, which would take him from 190 pounds to 245 pounds (he also grew 2 inches, to 6-foot-11) had barely begun.

"I understood that I was 18 and I had to get stronger in order for me to survive in this league," Antetokounmpo told ESPN. "It was going to be my main focus whenever I went to the gym. I lifted my weights, tried to eat right, tried to sleep right and I could see that as I got older, my body was changing. It didn't just happen overnight."

Since their first meeting in December 2021, Mobley has continued studying video of Antetokounmpo and other big men across the league he wishes to learn from, although he remained focused on forging his own path. But the way Antetokounmpo transformed his body continues to be the model.

"He's young, still really young, has a long way to go, but he's working hard everyday," Cavs forward Dean Wade told ESPN. "He's like a sponge. Anything you say, he absorbs everything. It's really exciting to watch him keep growing even from last year to this year, it's ridiculous. He put on so much muscle.

"Practicing against him every day just kind of sucks because defensively he's everywhere. He can be in the lane and still contest a shot outside the lane. It's crazy. He's the one."

Mobley came into the league listed at 215 pounds and is still listed at that weight. He said he put on some weight during the offseason but admitted it was hard to keep the extra pounds on once games began.

"It takes a while for your body to get to where you exactly want it to, but you've just got to stick with it and keep working," Mobley said. "I felt like [the photos of Antetokounmpo as a rookie] were more so saying the transition is possible. It's not like you're going to be a certain way the whole time. It just shows the possibility, if you just stick with something and work at it, you can get to where you want to get too."

In his second season, Mobley is ahead of where Antetokounmpo was at this stage in his career. In 22 games, Mobley is averaging 15.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists. He's one of the anchors of the Cavs' defense with Allen but often is still trying to find his way on an offense that runs through its All-Star backcourt of Mitchell and Darius Garland.

Still, the Cavs have not put a ceiling on what the future holds for Mobley -- and neither has the man he's using as inspiration.

"It's a matter of time before he has a breakout season and becomes one of the best power forwards in the league," Antetokounmpo said. "The skill set and the body, the body is there. But it's up to him if he's going to work hard and fight through adversity to insert himself among the best in the league."



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ESPN really hyping Mobley and his potential. This is the second article that puts him in this type of light.
Continuous Incremental growth that eventually exceeds the leagues capability to contain him. That’s the timeline and growth chart for him.
 
Hopefully this was just a bad game and he'll be back on Friday.

Back getting outplayed by Thomas Bryant? Guh...
 
2021 NBA draft qualifying leaders through around 100 career games for these guys:

VORP - Mobley
BPM - Mobley
W/S - Mobley

It will be ok guys. :chuckle:

There's going to continue to be ups and downs as he matures and figures out his role on a winning team......but he's the best player in the draft and you are starting to see some pretty great players acknowledge how good he can be.
 
im telling you- He needs to try NoFap Challenge. Worked for me and many other posters here- some Mods as well.
Don't you mean Mobley needs to try it???? Maybe he will start demanding the ball from lil Garlin instead of some jacked up shot.
 
2021 NBA draft qualifying leaders through around 100 career games for these guys:

VORP - Mobley
BPM - Mobley
W/S - Mobley

It will be ok guys. :chuckle:

There's going to continue to be ups and downs as he matures and figures out his role on a winning team......but he's the best player in the draft and you are starting to see some pretty great players acknowledge how good he can be.

Yep. Even if that wasn't his greatest game, he has been on a tear since the Milwaukee game taking it to another level even after playing pretty well.

He wasn't even that bad, just got in foul trouble. It's going to happen with a guy that contests that many shots.

The only thing I am worried about is how the starters can play as a unit and keep everyone going and getting what they need.

Lebron is also the type of guy you would love to put on Mobley stronger guy who can move his feet.
 
2021 NBA draft qualifying leaders through around 100 career games for these guys:

VORP - Mobley
BPM - Mobley
W/S - Mobley

It will be ok guys. :chuckle:

There's going to continue to be ups and downs as he matures and figures out his role on a winning team......but he's the best player in the draft and you are starting to see some pretty great players acknowledge how good he can be.

I was saying this two weeks ago. He's been the best player in his draft this season and it's by a bigger margin, considerably, than last year.

I get the frustration, I guess, that he isn't, I dunno, Luka or Zion or LeBron level talent in year 2....but is that really fair to hold against him? He's not the superstar level player you thought he'd be but he's the best player in his draft class....

The expectations were just too high.
 
Mobley was damn good against the Thunder.

One of his most impressive plays for me actually came from a layup miss to start the third quarter.

Evan rebounded+ passed to DG who promptly brought the ball up the court. Mobley was trailing and his defender wasn't in the picture/sunk to the paint/wasn't paying attention. DG made a pass to Mobley on the right wing three point line early in the shot clock when he noticed the defense scrambling to jump back out to Evan. Robinson-Earl made it out to Mobley after he was trying to point this out and motioned for someone else to cover JA.

Mobley then pump fakes his ass and with ONE dribble and the angle from the three point line, he's in the damn paint for a layup attempt. One dribble.

He missed the shot, but Allen cleaned it up for the finish. And I'll be damned if it wasn't a good attempt at the basket.

There's moments of the unreal when it comes to Evan. There's only a few in the league that can cover that much ground.

Cannot wait for what's in store during the next game!
 
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