Ex Indians update

[cliffdawg]

I think when your a young player that has come up the last 7 to 8 years or so, with this team especially position player, I believe there a expectation/pressure on you ,because this team always in contention, Now that he’s in the Queen City, on a minor league contract , I don’t think he feels the pressure, so now he’s relaxes and healthy and putting up early numbers, we see how long he produces........

 

[Benway]

Cleveland: Where the fans are lazy and the organization has expectations.

Hellhole!

 

[DCTribefan]

I think when your a young player that has come up the last 7 to 8 years or so, with this team especially position player, I believe there a expectation/pressure on you ,because this team always in contention, Now that he’s in the Queen City, on a minor league contract , I don’t think he feels the pressure, so now he’s relaxes and healthy and putting up early numbers, we see how long he produces........

Or gets injured again.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Naquin talked about "scrutiny". Said he always felt like he was under a microscope.

A little different in that he wasn't sure if it had to do with his injuries or what. Whereas others I've talked to, had similar "under a microscope" feeling but it seemed to center on a "conformity" issue. Some kind of inability to just be themselves within an acceptable bandwidth from the management. I guess either way the microscope part of it is similar.

I think the thing that has stood out to me from just being able to shoot the shit with some x players I happen to know, is the way they describe the experience after leaving. Phrases like "a breath of fresh air", "weight off my shoulders", "ability to be me", "being accepted for who I am" seem to come up. I am not sure I understand it except to say that they have a sense of freedom after they leave they didn't while they were there.

Sounds like about what the vast majority of people I know say when moving to a new company

 

[BimboColesHair]

Naquin came up in the middle of a World Series window on a small market team.

Of course he was "under a microscope", the entire team was. Young, unproven guys were given a significantly shorter leash over that time, which had some negative effects as admitted by the organization.

Atmosphere and expectations in the clubhouse on a contender with a future HOF manager is going to be a bit different than a middling franchise. Shouldn't shock anyone.

 

[jup]

Sounds like about what the vast majority of people I know say when moving to a new company

Probably so in many ways.

There are those that feel heartbroken to leave, but more who feel a freedom by the newness of moving on. Then the shine wears off the "new place" and you realize that all orgs have pluses and minuses I guess.

For those I have the luck to speak with, it varies some. The fit was just not good at all for TB, and I think that shows. Tomlin, a guy you would expect for the fit to be good, not so much, as he felt very unprepared skills wise for life after the Indians. Cookie, maybe we will see when he actually gets back on the field. Plutko, definitely a sense of freedom. Naquin, that same sense. Small sample size for sure, but from the horses mouth.

 

[LL3]

Probably so in many ways.

There are those that feel heartbroken to leave, but more who feel a freedom by the newness of moving on. Then the shine wears off the "new place" and you realize that all orgs have pluses and minuses I guess.

For those I have the luck to speak with, it varies some. The fit was just not good at all for TB, and I think that shows. Tomlin, a guy you would expect for the fit to be good, not so much, as he felt very unprepared skills wise for life after the Indians. Cookie, maybe we will see when he actually gets back on the field. Plutko, definitely a sense of freedom. Naquin, that same sense. Small sample size for sure, but from the horses mouth.

I think it is perfectly reasonable for many to feel more "free"...perhaps reinvigorated in a new environment. I wish Tyler well.

 

[CATS44]

Lots of sour grapes from guys who weren't good enough, or representatives of the me generation.

Lots of ingratitude, too.

The Indians under the Dolans, Shapiro, Antonetti, Chernoff have a certain culture, a protective culture, a nourishing culture...and most importantly...a winning culture.

Those that buy in are part of it. Those that don't, don't stay long.

Not everybody fits, but the ones that do end up winning a lot of baseball games.

I've been around a lot of athletic teams. The ones with the same types of culture win, but there are always those individuals that feeled restrained by the very things that lead to all that success.

 

[Lee]

Or gets injured again.

I was sad we gave up on Naquin. A few years back I had a solid conversation with him. He was honest and super nice. I always thought he had the talent to be a good outfielder, just the injury history obviously.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Kluber's last three starts: 20.1 innings, 3 earned runs, 21 K's. Looks like he still has a lot of gas in the tank.

 

[Alabuckeye]

Hate that he's succeeding with the Yankees.....for however long it lasts.....but happy for him. He's been a favorite of mine for a long time. Same with Tyler. It's a pity he felt constrained in Cleveland, it's a shame that injuries short circuited his career, and I'm happy for his success in Cincy.

 

[cliffdawg]

Kluber's last three starts: 20.1 innings, 3 earned runs, 21 K's. Looks like he still has a lot of gas in the tank.

I really don’t root for any ex Cleveland athletes but when it’s come to Kluber I don mind his success......We still reaping the rewards of him, with the trade and his lasting impression on this pitching staff, especially with Bieber

PS.....I still hope we rock the shit out of him if he pitches against us.....lol

 

[sportscoach]

Eric Haase is back on the Tigers big league roster!

 

[xmasbuck]

does anyone know how much we were gonna have to pay naquin to stay with us?

 

[mopete12]

does anyone know how much we were gonna have to pay naquin to stay with us?

MLB Trade Rumors had his arbitration estimate between $1.8-2.4M. His deal with the Reds was for $1.5M.