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I don't buy that it impacts attendance. We can sign Lindor and it might be a tiny bump now. We let him go and a few folks get mad. Sure.

But does anything think that if we are 62-100 after signing Lindor attendance wont drop? While if we let him walk but win the WS it won't go up?

We sign Lindor and it will be on to the next complaint: but they didn't sign Bieber! ARam! Reyes! Clev! You start chasing stars and the fans that want you to chase stars will keep wanting you to chase more stars!

A great player like Lindor is going to get 11ish% of the ABs. He'll have less than that impact on the defense (given the increase in Ks).

THE key to building and maintaining a franchise is to develop from within.
Hold on to your stars as long as you can while you win. When you don't win, trade the ones heading to FA.
Rinse. Repeat.
Use FA only to fill holes in an otherwise stable ship.
But you CAN NOT be afraid to let players walk. It sure beats paying them 35 mil a year in their late 30s!
True, whatever attendance shifts we’d see would be very short-term.

Unless the team comes out and maintains a 100+ win pace throughout the year, even a team with a re-signed Lindor will return to typical attendance rather quickly.

And if you’re telling me fans will come out even less if the team is still winning 90+ without Lindor, I don’t believe that.

Whatever we do needs to be with winning in mind. I don’t know which way I lean because I don’t know all the details.
 
In the last 3 seasons, the Indians have sold out or nearly sold out every summer Friday/Saturday game and have drawn upwards of 30k on most Sunday summer games too. The recurring issue is they have had a hard time drawing much more than 20k on any week night game. That seems like a systematic issue that isn't going to get fixed anytime soon.

Fully expecting 2020 attendance to be worse than 2016, which was pretty bad.
 
In the last 3 seasons, the Indians have sold out or nearly sold out every summer Friday/Saturday game and have drawn upwards of 30k on most Sunday summer games too. The recurring issue is they have had a hard time drawing much more than 20k on any week night game. That seems like a systematic issue that isn't going to get fixed anytime soon.

Fully expecting 2020 attendance to be worse than 2016, which was pretty bad.

You guys think if the Indians go 162-0, they could boost attendance? Mariners went 116-46. Ball bounces our way a few times, ya never know. I’ll hang up and listen.
 
You guys think if the Indians go 162-0, they could boost attendance? Mariners went 116-46. Ball bounces our way a few times, ya never know. I’ll hang up and listen.

Maybe 160-2, but 162 wins just seems a bit unrealistic.
 
In the last 3 seasons, the Indians have sold out or nearly sold out every summer Friday/Saturday game and have drawn upwards of 30k on most Sunday summer games too. The recurring issue is they have had a hard time drawing much more than 20k on any week night game. That seems like a systematic issue that isn't going to get fixed anytime soon.

Fully expecting 2020 attendance to be worse than 2016, which was pretty bad.
Just wait for 2021. After all those season ticket holders cancel who only purchased to have the ability to attend the ASG.

I for one cancelled my season tickets after I was informed I must upgrade to the 40 game package. Like 20 games per year was already a pain in the ass. Dumping Kluber didn't help my enthusiasm either. That money saved from moving Kluber is sitting in Dolans bank account. Nothing has been done with it. No Lindor extension. No Clevinger extension. No Beiber extension. Nothing.
 
This offseason? What was their reasoning for that?
I’m curious as well because I still have my 20 game package and was able to attend AS festivities because of it
 
In the last 3 seasons, the Indians have sold out or nearly sold out every summer Friday/Saturday game and have drawn upwards of 30k on most Sunday summer games too. The recurring issue is they have had a hard time drawing much more than 20k on any week night game. That seems like a systematic issue that isn't going to get fixed anytime soon.

Fully expecting 2020 attendance to be worse than 2016, which was pretty bad.

I agree that is the key issue - decent attendance on weekends and pathetic attendance on week days.
But you have overstated it a bit in that "upwards of 30K on most Sundays summer games" - They didn't draw 30K any Sundays last year. And didn't sell out on any Fridays or Saturdays.
In fact the scary thing is that Their weekends were dramatically down - other than the Yankee and late season Twins series (still not sell outs) while the week days were a bit more consistent, if down.
And as others have mentioned, that has a lot to do with season tickets being propped up by the AS game forced sales.

But specifically to Lindor - attendance stinks. Are we to believe there are people who are NOT coming to games to see Lindor now, BUT WOULD come if only they gave him a bunch of money? I find that hard to believe. It's just not the "in" thing in Cleveland and they haven't found a way to market it as such.
 
This offseason? What was their reasoning for that?
I always had the 20 game package, perfect amount of games and 1st dibs at post season. I was stoked regarding the All-Game thinking I get a chance to attend. They demanded 20 game season ticket holders had to upgrade to 40 game package (For 2 seasons) in order to have a chance to purchase a seat. Huge money grab on Dolans part, that was enough for me to cancel. This team is also becoming faceless, even more so after Lindor is gone.
 
I agree that is the key issue - decent attendance on weekends and pathetic attendance on week days.
But you have overstated it a bit in that "upwards of 30K on most Sundays summer games" - They didn't draw 30K any Sundays last year. And didn't sell out on any Fridays or Saturdays.
In fact the scary thing is that Their weekends were dramatically down - other than the Yankee and late season Twins series (still not sell outs) while the week days were a bit more consistent, if down.
And as others have mentioned, that has a lot to do with season tickets being propped up by the AS game forced sales.

But specifically to Lindor - attendance stinks. Are we to believe there are people who are NOT coming to games to see Lindor now, BUT WOULD come if only they gave him a bunch of money? I find that hard to believe. It's just not the "in" thing in Cleveland and they haven't found a way to market it as such.

You are correct, I overstated last season's numbers

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From what I can best recall:

81 and 40 game members were guaranteed access to buy strips which include the Futures Game, Derby, and ASG. 81 may have gotten their actual seat guaranteed, but I may be mistaken there. I know that's how it works for their playoff tickets. I am pretty sure 20 game members were initially only promised access to buy the ASG OR HR Derby. I remember this being the difference in me choosing between 40 over 20 for the 2019 season.

However, the additional strips did not end up selling all that well as I think they may have anticipated and I remember getting 2-3 emails about purchasing additional strips in the months leading up to that weekend. At that point, I all STHs had access to buy strips. But at that point, I imagine most of the 20 game members had already bought individual tickets or passed on the weekend altogether.
 
Yeah, I got tickets to the HR derby. Had to choose between that and the actual AS game.
I called my ticket rep weeks before the all-star game and was told I had to upgrade to 40 game package to attend the AS game.. I owned View Box 454 3rd row up directly behind the catcher.. Maybe you had high bucks seats ? It's the only difference I can think of without calling my ticket rep and asking to explain again.
 
I called my ticket rep weeks before the all-star game and was told I had to upgrade to 40 game package to attend the AS game.. I owned View Box 454 3rd row up directly behind the catcher.. Maybe you had high bucks seats ? It's the only difference I can think of without calling my ticket rep and asking to explain again.
Nope, my seats weren't even view box. They were straight upper deck.

I got my choice of Derby/Game plus Futures game and some other event.
 

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