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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%

  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%

  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%
  • Total voters
    183
Freddie didn't get any help from his assistants this year. If he assembled the staff himself, that's another mark against him as a failure as a HC. Now if the front office were the ones who assembled the coaching staff, I'm not so sure they will get this next hirings right.
 
CBBI said:
Meanwhile, one league source told cleveland.com that Kitchens’ game-week preparation was the worst they had ever seen in a long career in the football, and that he never had a handle on the offensive process, either during the week or on game day.

www.cleveland.com

Freddie Kitchens is one-and-done, fired by the Browns after his 6-10 season: We ‘didn’t see opportunities for improvement’

Kitchens was on the hot seat heading into the season finale in Cincinnati.
www.cleveland.com www.cleveland.com

YIKES
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We saw this unfold every game day.
 
It just amazes me that for 20 FREAKIN' YEARS this team has not been able to find a competent coach.... and the jury is still out if they have even found a competent QB in the same time frame..... smh
 
MikeOC33 said:
It just amazes me that for 20 FREAKIN' YEARS this team has not been able to find a competent coach.... and the jury is still out if they have even found a competent QB in the same time frame..... smh
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NFC West Champion Coach Kyle Shanahan once made a PowerPoint presentation so that they’d let him out of his contract.

Mike Pettine is the DC for the #2 seed Packers.


It’s always going to be deeper than coaching.
 
AZ_ said:
NFC West Champion Coach Kyle Shanahan once made a PowerPoint presentation so that they’d let him out of his contract.

Mike Pettine is the DC for the #2 seed Packers.


It’s always going to be deeper than coaching.
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What about some cases for Chud, Shurmur, Hue, Mangini? Shanahan was our one and only good coach we've had in the last decade. It's not about being deeper than coaching. The crazy hyped up America's team Cleveland Browns went a disastrous 6-10. Lost close games clearly because of bad coaching. The HC was getting fired regardless. I'd honestly like to say Dorsey felt obligated to hire Freddie because his QB gave his stamp of approval.
 
Real Deal said:
What about some cases for Chud, Shurmur, Hue, Mangini? Shanahan was our one and only good coach we've had in the last decade. It's not about being deeper than coaching. The crazy hyped up America's team Cleveland Browns went a disastrous 6-10. Lost close games clearly because of bad coaching. The HC was getting fired regardless. I'd honestly like to say Dorsey felt obligated to hire Freddie because his QB gave his stamp of approval.
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Nah, Pettine was legitimately a great coach too and continues to prove it to this day. Unfortunately, like everything else, he let personal problems get in the way and then the Johnny meltdown sealed his fate.

As for Freddie, I don't feel bad nor do I blame organizational problems for how his firing was handled. He was safe until he got blown out by the 3-9 Cardinals and 1-14 Bengals. If he truly thought his job was safe, then he was a bigger moron than I could have possibly imagined.

He seemed like a nice guy, but holy shit was he totally inept as a football coach. He'll be lucky to ever get a coordinator job again.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Nah, Pettine was legitimately a great coach too and continues to prove it to this day. Unfortunately, like everything else, he let personal problems get in the way and then the Johnny meltdown sealed his fate.

As for Freddie, I don't feel bad nor do I blame organizational problems for how his firing was handled. He was safe until he got blown out by the 3-9 Cardinals and 1-14 Bengals. If he truly thought his job was safe, then he was a bigger moron than I could have possibly imagined.

He seemed like a nice guy, but holy shit was he totally inept as a football coach. He'll be lucky to ever get a coordinator job again.
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the Ravens backups just dismantled the Steelers. That’s the bar for where we need to get in time.

meanwhile, to take command of our season, we had to beat the Steelers and found a way to lose.
Then in a must win game against Arizona, we got murdered.
Then we capped it off by losing to the Bengals, which officially ended the player mutiny as the coup is now complete.

Freddy lost the team. He wasn’t ready for this position and it showed. The good news is that the worse you think he was, the better we should be with someone else.
 
This thread needs to be locked, hidden in a dark corner of the forum, locked again, and forgotten.
 
I think this thread should remain here as a cautionary tale that warns our future selves against the inherent danger of signing the latest greatest emotional feel good flash in the pan. In hindsight, what we got sure looks like it was the most likely outcome all along, even if our optimism at the time demanded that we look the other way.

Freddy encouraged toughness over discipline, and got penalties instead of progress, nagging injuries instead of performance, and ejections instead of swagger.

Some of this has to go back to Dorsey. How much of the decision was based of performance and how much was based on a cowardly design to avoid rivals? I guess we will find out when we see his next hire.

Rest in peace Fat Freddy, you are a now painful example of how unknown usually just means unqualified.
 
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Douglar said:
I think this thread should remain here as a cautionary tale that warns our future selves against the inherent danger of signing the latest greatest emotional feel good flash in the pan. In hindsight, what we got sure looks like it was the most likely outcome all along, even if our optimism at the time demanded that we look the other way.

Freddy encouraged toughness over discipline, and got penalties instead of progress, nagging injuries instead of performance, and ejections instead of swagger.

Someof this has to go back to Dorsey. Ho much of the decision was based of performance and how much was based on a cowardly design to avoid rivals?

Rest in peace Fat Freddy, you are a now painful example of how unknown usually just means unqualified.
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But he wasn't unknown. He was a running backs and tight ends coach in 1999. Up until Hue was fired Freddie was either a running backs or tight ends coach, with the exception of four seasons as QB coach. Eleven seasons with the Cardinals and not promoted to OC. He didn't find anyone else to hire him as an OC in all those years.

In other words, a complete and utter mediocrity with no ambition and no indication he could manage coaches or lead anything. Evidently he has some ability to coach pro players directly.

His weak-ass resume should have screened him out, but the Haslems and Dorsey interviewed him so Freddie must have impressed them enough to get the job despite his weak experience. That's what many Browns fans were hoping at least.

The problem with this franchise isn't Freddie. It's the knuckleheads who continue to make terrible decisions. From everything we've seen & heard of Freddie this past season how was he able to pull a Jedi Mind Trick on Haslem, Dorsey & Haslem? Can you imagine just how weak those interviews were? The Haslems don't have "due diligence" -- they have "doo-doo" diligence (or Hue diligence, if you prefer).

To repeat -- the Haslems and Dorsey hired a head coach who was a position coach in 1999 when Ty Detmer opened the season for us and was a position coach in 2018 when Baker opened the season for us -- as well as during the entire tenure of every fucking QB, HC and GM in that period.

Maybe it was Freddie's charisma that sold them.
 
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