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Game #39 Cavs at Jazz (Jan. 13, 9:00 pm EST)

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Turnovers aside, J.J. is having a solid game around the rim. At least he is rebounding the ball. Jamison is just a huge () so we have virtually no inside game defensively OR offensively. That's not even mentioning the fact that Mo sucks. Manny and Eyenga can handle the back-court from here on, at least that's what I'd like to see. Trade Mo, NOW?

Where are you Sac-Townnnnn?
 
Oh and by the way, Paul Millsap was held to 11 points and 5 rebounds. Was Hickson or Jamison guarding him for the majority of the game? I'd say that's pretty good D against a pretty good player.
 
Oh and by the way, Paul Millsap was held to 11 points and 5 rebounds. Was Hickson or Jamison guarding him for the majority of the game? I'd say that's pretty good D against a pretty good player.
Our PF's were so staunch defensively.... They were giving up NOTHING !

We just ran out of time....
 
Well Pip, I'd hate to make an assumption here, but I sense a bit of sarcasm. If you're being sarcastic, I said that was good D on a single player. If you want to deny the fact that holding Millsap to 11 and 5 is good, then that's all you.

If you aren't being sarcastic (which I find highly unlikely), then you can just ignore this post.
 
Well Pip, I'd hate to make an assumption here, but I sense a bit of sarcasm. If you're being sarcastic, I said that was good D on a single player. If you want to deny the fact that holding Millsap to 11 and 5 is good, then that's all you.

If you aren't being sarcastic (which I find highly unlikely), then you can just ignore this post.

Jazz outside shooters were so wide open there was no reason to go down low to Millsap. That and he only played 26 minutes compared to his season average of 34..

Turnovers..

Utah Jazz 9

JJ Hickson 9
 
yeah, JJ 's why they lost the game, right?

as i said weeks ago, you idiots love to bash JJ and would trade him for a bag of chips. meanwhile he's ripping down 17 boards here and 14 boards there all while scoring pretty well also. does he still have hands issues? yep. but because of where he plays down low, he's still the best scoring option the cavs have. said it at the beginning of the year; saying it now. if andy had two games with over 14 rebounds in what? 4 or 5 games, you'd all be going ape-shit with praise. but because most of you made up yr mind's about JJ, it's dumb ass posts like the one above...JJ, sessions and eyenga are the only pieces worth keeping from this team.
 
yeah, JJ 's why they lost the game, right?

as i said weeks ago, you idiots love to bash JJ and would trade him for a bag of chips. meanwhile he's ripping down 17 boards here and 14 boards there all while scoring pretty well also. does he still have hands issues? yep. but because of where he plays down low, he's still the best scoring option the cavs have. said it at the beginning of the year; saying it now. if andy had two games with over 14 rebounds in what? 4 or 5 games, you'd all be going ape-shit with praise. but because most of you made up yr mind's about JJ, it's dumb ass posts like the one above...JJ, sessions and eyenga are the only pieces worth keeping from this team.

No, no, and no.

If basketball was played on your average box score, Hickson would be playing really well. To bad it isn't. As horrible as Jamison is on defense, Hickson is EQUALLY BAD. Misses EVERY rotation. Challenges absolutely no one coming down the lane. Never gets out on a 3-point shooter. It's a freaking nightmare to watch the kid play defense.

Now, you mentioned his game the other night, where he went a stellar 8-23, scoring 23 points on 23 shots. Are we seriously going to praise that type of efficiency? Jamison might as well shoot 40 times and score 35 points on 40 shots if this is considered a good offensive night around here.

Boards, I give him credit. That's about though. His defense is still a total disaster, his hands are horrible, he gets tunnel vision, can't pass the ball, etc. Has he played better? Yes. Is he the best scoring option and worth keeping no matter what? Not even close.

I've pointed this out to you before, but I know you hate advanced statistics, so you'll just ignore. Don't care, I'll do it again. Both players have nearly identical USG%, but Jamison has a nearly 3% advantage in terms of TS%. What do take from this? Both players are involved in the offense nearly the exact same amount, except one player scores at was is easily a more efficient rate and that player is Jamison. If we look at eFG was factors in 3PM but not Free throws, the gap widens to 5%.

All of that ignores the fact that they don't even run plays through Hickson on aregular basis. Most of his stuff is coming off of rebounds. So to say that the guy who scores less efficiently when the half-court offense doesn't even flow through him is a better offensive option (less chances should = more efficiency) than the guy who does regularly initiate the offense is crazy.

Tonight just proved the point of why you can't run offense through Hickson. Here is a guy who is being asked to rebound the ball and play with energy...yet he manages to turn the ball over 9 times? How in the hell is that possible? They aren't throwing the ball to Hickson on the low block and asking him to make the correct read out of the double team, they are asking to him to go get the ball when it is rebounded or simply finish when given the ball off of a cut. Yet he can't handle this stuff w/o being a TO machine. Again, stats back me up on this as Hickson has a monsterous 15.13 TO rate. That is w/o counting in tonights 9 TO performance. Jamison has about a 6.

So, only do I not see how Hickson can be considered the best scoring option when watching the games, but in no way do the statistics say it either. It just isn't true.

/rant
 
I am sure that the scouting report is out, and it says, "Rip the ball from Hickson's hands every damn time." I know football players make their hands better by grabbing 50lb bags of rice. Hickson need to get into this because too many loose balls are slipping right through his fingers.
 
As horrible as Jamison is on defense, Hickson is EQUALLY BAD.

that is completely and utterly wrong. just outrageously wrong. NO ONE on the cavs, not even mo, is as bad defensively as jamison. period. and JJ (and most of our bigs, for that matter) gets hung out to dry by our guards allowing dribble penetration. he's become a much better on-ball defender. and he is doing well on steals and blocks lately too...

JJ is the best scoring option we have because his shot attempts come around the basket and he gets to line better than anyone else on the team. he is VERY good at the pick-n roll. the cavs need to run that MORE.

ya know, the more i read what you said, the more i wonder what games you're watching...:thumbdown

again, you people act like productive bigs grow on trees. they do not. JJ's hands have actually improved. his decision making has improved (he made 3 or 4 nice passes that lead to direct assists or hockey assists last night, for instance) and his rebounding have improved. he's a young big who will get better. but you're right, he's a waste. trade him for crap...:chuckles:

oh and stats are meaningless without context, which you rarely provide. besides it's always easier to argue a negative than a positive.:chuckles:
 

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