Game 57|Cavaliers @ Orlando|February 21, 2010|1:00 EST

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Oh, and one more thing I forgot to mention. Despite the refs and our terrible guard play, free throws once again cost us the game. LeBron and AJ both missed key free throws down the stretch, 16-25 just won't cut it down the stretch run...
 

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Mo Williams - 1/9 (first and only FG in the 4th quarter)

Anthony Parker - 1/4 (first and only FG in the 4th quarter)


The refs may have blown some calls, but the Cavs lost this game because of the continued ineptitude at the starting guard positions.
Nah, we had a 5 point lead after most of their missed shots were taken (2-4 down the stretch if I recall correctly), we lost the game because of 3 straight empty possessions where LeBron had the ball in his hands. 2 bad jumpers and a travel. That was the swing in the game, not what happened long before that.
 

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Yeah i dont understand why MB dont play jawad and moon together they were great during the 13w streak
 

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Those are the points and rebounds for Shaq and Jamison, I really like that production. We saw glimpses of what this team can do with Jamison starting and despite this loss, I know we have a legit shot of coming out of the East via beating the Magic. Hell, we have Shaq who pretty much has Dwight in his sights and now Jamison is a handful for Lewis.
 

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If someone would've told you that after that embarrassing loss in the regular season in Orlando last season and after going 0-3 in Orlando in the postseason that the Cavaliers would be 1-1 in Amway Arena this season and 2-1 against Magic overall (1-2 last season), what would you say?

The Cavaliers match up much better against Orlando this year, but you can't expect to beat them every game. This is a team that ruled the Cavaliers in Orlando last season and it took smelling salt to get Vince out of his coma, Jameer Nelson stepping up, and some big-time plays down the stretch just to beat a Cavaliers team featuring their second game with Antawn Jamison and second game with Mo Williams back in the starting lineup.

It also took some heavy protection of Dwight Howard courtesy of the officiating crew (e.g. Dwight using his elbow to slam Andy, Dwight fouling LeBron with the call being out of bounds, Dwight charging on Antawn yet called a block). But this isn't about the officials. This is about realizing the difference between a regular season game and the postseason. The Cavaliers will be just fine against this Orlando team in the playoffs especially with Vince Carter expected to play in only one out of every two or three games. It's a regular season loss against a team the Cavs have already beat twice. You can't win 'em all. Grow up.

In fact, I remember the Cavs only regular season win over the Magic last season coming on a strong fourth quarter effort by LeBron James where he planted every three he took after the Cavs were down early in the quarter. The shoe was on the other foot today. But Orlando can't expect to come on strong in the final five minutes in order to win every game, much like the Cavs couldn't simply ride out miraculous LeBron shots in the final frame to overcome deficit last season.

However, this was a tough game to stomach. Antawn played great as did Shaq. LeBron played phenomenal but avoided the paint like quicksand in the final five minutes. The fourth quarter gave me Vietnam-like flashbacks to the ECF last year.

And while Delonte West missed a lot of his shots when driving, anyone notice how the Cavs absolutely dominated the glass when he was doing that? As soon as the offense started shooting jumpers, it was one and out. No offensive rebounds, no second chance points, and a tailor made fastbreak for Orlando. That's my only beef with today's game. The inability to attack in critical moments of the game and settle for jumpshots instead. When faced with a chance to make it a three possession game up five at the time, LeBron settled for a long two. This fueled a 9-0 run by the Magic to take a four point lead. Big time difference in philosophy in the final five minutes. Inside-out basketball by the Magic compared to stand around complacency jumpers by the Cavs.

Disappointing to say the least, but don't read too far into it as far as the playoffs go.
 
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I love how Melo and Pierce own the mid-range post game.

LeBron has none of it. This is something that Jordan mastered as well.

In games like this when you are up and you need a bucket....those guys can go to.

LeBron instead settles for awful 3's if the drive isn't there.

So annoying.
 

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We screwed this, but the way refs let DH do whatever he wants (I would cut his Fing elbows off) on both sides of the floor is just shameful. Superman my ass. He is just tall and athletic, with no real knowledge. Ewing should be ashamed of being his consultant. :nutkick:

And once again majority is blaming LeBron. While he was stupid, there were 4 guys at all times with him on the court. They can go F themselves (minus Shaq and Jamison).
 

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While LeBron had a hand in the Cavs' 4th quarter suckiness, people are giving him too much shit.

I think some of you guys haven't thought about the fact that the man is coming off a long series of games where he had to push himself to score more than he usually has this season, due to Mo's absence. Not to mention Delonte being out as well and Bron basically having to lead the Cavs' offense by himself for 8 games. Plus flying out for the all star game and playing in it getting him more tired. Plus having recently played in a close, tense OT game against one of the NBA's best teams, where he had to score a truckloads of points.

There are many reasons the Cavs lost this one. Some plays they didn't defend well enough, the refs gave the Magic some favorable calls, LBJ made some truly dumb offensive choices in the fourth quarter, our back court was atrocious on the offensive side, the team still has to deal with Z's loss and the integration of Jamison rotation-wise.

Things have a tendency to get worse before they get better. Our team will finish the season first in the east and will play solid basketball before heading into the playoffs. No need to panic or get angry.
 

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Thank god we didnt trade for Iggy or Amare. I cant imagine how the heck MB would do his rotations. Its hard for him to start Jamison
 

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Those are the points and rebounds for Shaq and Jamison, I really like that production. We saw glimpses of what this team can do with Jamison starting and despite this loss, I know we have a legit shot of coming out of the East via beating the Magic. Hell, we have Shaq who pretty much has Dwight in his sights and now Jamison is a handful for Lewis.

Good point, with them starting and Hickson-Varejao off the bench the rotations would be impressive.

As a Laker fan, replacing Brown would make the Cavs legit Championship contenders. The talent on this team is impressive, I think they are winning despite Brown's coaching.
 

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If someone would've told you that after that embarrassing loss in the regular season in Orlando last season and after going 0-3 in Orlando in the postseason that the Cavaliers would be 1-1 in Amway Arena this season and 2-1 against Magic overall (1-2 last season), what would you say?

The Cavaliers match up much better against Orlando this year, but you can't expect to beat them every game. This is a team that ruled the Cavaliers in Orlando last season and it took smelling salt to get Vince out of his coma, Jameer Nelson stepping up, and some big-time plays down the stretch just to beat a Cavaliers team featuring their second game with Antawn Jamison and second game with Mo Williams back in the starting lineup.

It also took some heavy protection of Dwight Howard courtesy of the officiating crew (e.g. Dwight using his elbow to slam Andy, Dwight fouling LeBron with the call being out of bounds, Dwight charging on Antawn yet called a block). But this isn't about the officials. This is about realizing the difference between a regular season game and the postseason. The Cavaliers will be just fine against this Orlando team in the playoffs especially with Vince Carter expected to play in only one out of every two or three games. It's a regular season loss against a team the Cavs have already beat twice. You can't win 'em all. Grow up.

In fact, I remember the Cavs only regular season win over the Magic last season coming on a strong fourth quarter effort by LeBron James where he planted every three he took after the Cavs were down early in the quarter. The shoe was on the other foot today. But Orlando can't expect to come on strong in the final five minutes in order to win every game, much like the Cavs couldn't simply ride out miraculous LeBron shots in the final frame to overcome deficit last season.

However, this was a tough game to stomach. Antawn played great as did Shaq. LeBron played phenomenal but avoided the paint like quicksand in the final five minutes. The fourth quarter gave me Vietnam-like flashbacks to the ECF last year.

And while Delonte West missed a lot of his shots when driving, anyone notice how the Cavs absolutely dominated the glass when he was doing that? As soon as the offense started shooting jumpers, it was one and out. No offensive rebounds, no second chance points, and a tailor made fastbreak for Orlando. That's my only beef with today's game. The inability to attack in critical moments of the game and settle for jumpshots instead. When faced with a chance to make it a three possession game up five at the time, LeBron settled for a long two. This fueled a 9-0 run by the Magic to take a four point lead. Big time difference in philosophy in the final five minutes. Inside-out basketball by the Magic compared to stand around complacency jumpers by the Cavs.

Disappointing to say the least, but don't read too far into it as far as the playoffs go.

Wait a minute, there can't actually be someone reasonable around here, can there? :chuckles:

Also, even after a 3 game losing streak, we STILL hold the best record in the NBA.
 

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Also, it's feeling a little better watching Denver annihilate Boston right now too.
 

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I think when we get powe back we start using him when we need to burn fouls, like on howard. Rough him up if hes going to keep throwing elbows
 

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If someone would've told you that after that embarrassing loss in the regular season in Orlando last season and after going 0-3 in Orlando in the postseason that the Cavaliers would be 1-1 in Amway Arena this season and 2-1 against Magic overall (1-2 last season), what would you say?

The Cavaliers match up much better against Orlando this year, but you can't expect to beat them every game. This is a team that ruled the Cavaliers in Orlando last season and it took smelling salt to get Vince out of his coma, Jameer Nelson stepping up, and some big-time plays down the stretch just to beat a Cavaliers team featuring their second game with Antawn Jamison and second game with Mo Williams back in the starting lineup.

It also took some heavy protection of Dwight Howard courtesy of the officiating crew (e.g. Dwight using his elbow to slam Andy, Dwight fouling LeBron with the call being out of bounds, Dwight charging on Antawn yet called a block). But this isn't about the officials. This is about realizing the difference between a regular season game and the postseason. The Cavaliers will be just fine against this Orlando team in the playoffs especially with Vince Carter expected to play in only one out of every two or three games. It's a regular season loss against a team the Cavs have already beat twice. You can't win 'em all. Grow up.

In fact, I remember the Cavs only regular season win over the Magic last season coming on a strong fourth quarter effort by LeBron James where he planted every three he took after the Cavs were down early in the quarter. The shoe was on the other foot today. But Orlando can't expect to come on strong in the final five minutes in order to win every game, much like the Cavs couldn't simply ride out miraculous LeBron shots in the final frame to overcome deficit last season.

However, this was a tough game to stomach. Antawn played great as did Shaq. LeBron played phenomenal but avoided the paint like quicksand in the final five minutes. The fourth quarter gave me Vietnam-like flashbacks to the ECF last year.

And while Delonte West missed a lot of his shots when driving, anyone notice how the Cavs absolutely dominated the glass when he was doing that? As soon as the offense started shooting jumpers, it was one and out. No offensive rebounds, no second chance points, and a tailor made fastbreak for Orlando. That's my only beef with today's game. The inability to attack in critical moments of the game and settle for jumpshots instead. When faced with a chance to make it a three possession game up five at the time, LeBron settled for a long two. This fueled a 9-0 run by the Magic to take a four point lead. Big time difference in philosophy in the final five minutes. Inside-out basketball by the Magic compared to stand around complacency jumpers by the Cavs.

Disappointing to say the least, but don't read too far into it as far as the playoffs go.

I agree with this, but like you said, its tough to stomach when it looked so much like the ECF, with coaching, Lebron, Mo's production, refs, etc. I also think one distinction is that Orlando is playing much better than they did earlier in the season. They played us pretty well in the game in Cleveland so I almost throw away that first game this year. Hopefully a bunch of this will get better with better lineups and with AJ more comfortable. I think Brown is playing around with lineups with the addition of AJ and loss of Z, which makes sense in the regular season, but it was hard to watch today.
 
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