Game Thread 2020-21 Season | Game #23 | Bucks @ Cavs | February 5, 2021

[Alec]

Okoro shooting flat line drives

 

[cabs]

Allen and Garland have been our only decent players, Sexton has missed some very easy passes.

 

[Rich]

Board is gonna be Drummond hate left and right and yea, he's been bad again, but that's not the big issue going forward.

Sexton isn't seeing the court again. Garland isn't aggressive.

Neither look like any type of franchise player at the moment. Or even guys who will make an all-star team in the future.

They need to get better.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

Maybe a losing streak this month against these good teams will get Drummond out of town. I hate to see locker room drama and pouting but Drummond might need to catch KPJs bus out of here. I can’t take this anymore.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Board is gonna be Drummond hate left and right and yea, he's been bad again, but that's not the big issue going forward.

Sexton isn't seeing the court again. Garland isn't aggressive.

Neither look like any type of franchise player at the moment. Or even guys who will make an all-star team in the future.

They need to get better.

I think Drummond leaving would help them a ton.
Too much deferring to Drummond.

 

[MirORich]

Liked what we saw out of Okoro and Stevens tonight, Garland and Sexton did some of their usually good stuff but didn’t really elevate the team.

Looking forward to bringing the following core back next year with another full year of development and a full training camp:

Sexton, Garland, Allen, Okoro, Nance, Windler, 2021 1st, possibly Stevens

Drummond can and thankfully will get the hell out.

Indifferent entirely to Love, Cedi, and Prince.

 

[Rich]

I think Drummond leaving would help them a ton.
Too much deferring to Drummond.

Sexton isn't seeing the court at all when he drives. At all.

Garland is just....average. Everything about his game screams average player.

Which is fine. You need them. But that means we need to find some stars somewhere else.

 

[Rich]

Eh. Everything early in the season looks like a mirage. Getting blown out more regularly now that the competition is better.

Defense has taken a nosedive. And Sexton's peak against the Nets has fallen off a cliff.

PRetty depressing from where I hoped this team was.

 

[MirORich]

Sexton isn't seeing the court at all when he drives. At all.

Garland is just....average. Everything about his game screams average player.

Which is fine. You need them. But that means we need to find some stars somewhere else.

Garland is 73 games into his NBA career. Every single stat of his is up from last season. Ways to go obviously but what is your basis for feeling like you are seeing no progression from say game 30 to game 73 or even the basis that progression is measured in small chUni’s of just 10-20 games this early into a players career.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Sexton isn't seeing the court at all when he drives. At all.

Garland is just....average. Everything about his game screams average player.

Which is fine. You need them. But that means we need to find some stars somewhere else.

Well I don't agree on Garland,,I think he is improving...but yeah you have to get a star in this draft,,,so it may not be a bad thing to start losing big time.

 

[Rich]

Garland is 73 games into his NBA career. Every single stat of his is up from last season. Ways to go obviously but what is your basis for feeling like you are seeing no progression from say game 30 to game 73 or even the basis that progression is measured in small chUni’s of just 10-20 games this early into a players career.

Look, maybe there's a massive leap in there.

But if a guy is going to be a star, a real star, you should see evidence of it by season 2. You at least saw in Sexton's second year the potential, although way out there, that he could eventually be an elite scorer.

So he's progressing from a pretty shitty player last year to a below league average point guard this year.

Now that's different than being a bad draft pick. You need role players. But there has been zero flashes of future star anywhere in his game.

His career high, 73 games in, is 23 points.

Maybe he takes like a Steve Nash career path. That's probably like, the absolute best case scenario going forward.

 

[narbar32]

If we have to put multiple stars on this team because we haven't drafted them then......get the point?

I mean, were you guys NOT hoping you'd see two dudes who looked like stars this year? Just a slightly below average point guard and slightly above average shooting guard were your expectations for the season?

Sexton, right now, isn't impacting the game enough ways.

We got killed on the glass tonight and a lot of that was him ball watching. He has zero rebounds while Dinvenczo has 4 offensive rebounds alone.

Garland ALSO has zero rebounds. Jrue HOliday has 3 offensive boards alone.

They're not doing enough tonight.

Yes, I expect more from the player people are suggesting we build around.

Drummond is the easy scape-goat.

I'm more just generally salty and was being a sarcastic dick in response to your post and for that I'm sorry.

I'll say this though: my expectations going into the season were that the team would be worse than they are and that the shrimpy backcourt would leave no doubt as to their inability to co-exist. I feel like they've shown it's at least a possibility that they could thrive together, however remote, especially when you consider their youth and their surrounding cast. We're losing to some really good teams--objectively better teams--and often look like we at least belong in the same court. Doesn't mean I'm satisfied with moral victories, but I AM encouraged when some very good teams end up having to really buckle down and put the screws to us to pull away at the end. Especially when a lot of these teams--like the Lakers and Bucks--have some of the most devastating and huge wings in the game and that remains our biggest hole on our side.

I'm also encouraged when I consider the fact that one of our most talented (on paper at least) and expensive players has barely played this season and his backup at PF, who has played exceptionally well defensively, is also out currently.

I think the fact that Drummond is a perfect scapegoat is a bit of a red herring.

My biggest disappointment is that Okoro hasn't continued blowing me away after those couple of preseason performances that grew my expectations way out of proportion.

 

[MirORich]

Eh. Everything early in the season looks like a mirage. Getting blown out more regularly now that the competition is better.

Defense has taken a nosedive. And Sexton's peak against the Nets has fallen off a cliff.

PRetty depressing from where I hoped this team was.

We’re also playing without one of our best two way players in Nance and a guy who even though he has his own issues and is not a part of the long term, does open up some things on offense(Love)

Last year our winning percentage was 29%

Did you really think based on the small changes to last years roster that we were going to be or should be expected to be a .500 team?

With few exceptions, teams that do improve progressively over consecutive seasons, usually improve by maybe 6-10 wins per year, except in the cases of massive trades or acquisitions involving generational players in their prime.

I‘ trying to get a handle and understanding for what you were expecting?

 

[Rich]

I'm more just generally salty and was being a sarcastic dick in response to your post and for that I'm sorry.

I'll say this though: my expectations going into the season were that the team would be worse than they are and that the shrimpy backcourt would leave no doubt as to their inability to co-exist. I feel like they've shown it's at least a possibility that they could thrive together, however remote, especially when you consider their youth and their surrounding cast. We're losing to some really good teams--objectively better teams--and often look like we at least belong in the same court. Doesn't mean I'm satisfied with moral victories, but I AM encouraged when some very good teams end up having to really buckle down and put the screws to us to pull away at the end. Especially when a lot of these teams--like the Lakers and Bucks--have some of the most devastating and huge wings in the game and that remains our biggest hole on our side.

I'm also encouraged when I consider the fact that one of our most talented (on paper at least) and expensive players has barely played this season and his backup at PF, who has played exceptionally well defensively, is also out currently.

I think the fact that Drummond is a perfect scapegoat is a bit of a red herring.

My biggest disappointment is that Okoro hasn't continued blowing me away after those couple of preseason performances that grew my expectations way out of proportion.

Well look we're at the same point its just my expectations grew early in the season and now they're back to where yours are.

Garland and Sexton can't work long-term and we will again have to go into the lottery and hope we can find a star player. Which, people just act like we need to one more draft and then blam, we're good. THere are teams out there that have been sucking for decades and can't find the player they need.

 

[redscoon]

This team misses Nance badly. Defensive energy has slipped considerably and we are getting beat up by longer teams.

That being said, somebody has to make some damn shots. We had multiple wide open 3s in the 2nd half in big swing moments and every one was missed.

How many travels did Giannis get away with tonight? 5? 10? Not sure how a dude that big blatantly palms the ball repeatedly on the same drive in clear view and nothing gets called.