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Game Thread | 2020-21 Season | Games #69 | Pacers @ Cavs | May 10, 2021

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Okoro really battled. Cool to see. We need to see that same involvement when everyone is playing. He hit 2 threes in addition to the 3 he made one after an offensive foul negated and another after a defensive foul that negated it.

You can tell his timing getting to the basket is better. Had a couple of bouncy dunks. I swore he had more assists than 4.

Sexton would normally have won that game. Good to see him get guys involved.

A lot of these passes are good passes, but he needs to get the ball out of his own hands quicker. He got it too late a half dozen times.

That's just reading the defense to me and I think he can improve there.
 
these game threads should be renamed to "Game 69 I Cavs vs Pacers I Criticisms of everyone on the cavs except Sexton"
“The kid’s exhausted, we’ve been playing him a ton of minutes,” Bickerstaff explained. “He’s fighting through it, he won’t bow down, (shots) just wouldn’t go for him. He fought like hell at both ends of the floor and gave us all he had.”

I have a hard time criticizing Sexton. At this point in the season it would be easy for him to make a business decision and just go through the motions, take lots of 3's, and protect himself. But I see him passing up open 3's to attack the rim, knowing he's going to take a hit from a big and probably end up on the floor. He keeps doing it anyway. He only knows one way to play - full out, regardless of the situation.

In one of the Dallas games he drove to the rim and took a big hit with a minute to go and the Cavs down by 20. I appreciate the warrior mentality, especially from a guy whose place on the team is secure.

I'm really happy with Okoro's progress from a guy who played defense and then hid in the corner when the Cavs had the ball to where he is today. Next season he'll be starting out so far ahead of where he started this year. He scored in double figures in 9 of his last 10 games and last night got his first career double-double. I expect him to get about 20 more next year.

In his last five games Okoro is hitting 41% of his 3's and is more involved in the offense than ever.

Dean Wade did two exciting things last night. One, he drove to the rim and finished strong with a layup in traffic. Haven't seen him do that all year but now he's done it in back-to-back games. Two, he got the ball in the low post, backed his man down, then knocked down a Dirk Nowitzki step-back fallaway using good footwork. Haven't seen him do that, either. It was like playing two games against Luka Doncic this weekend turned on a light and he said, "Hey, I can do some of those things, too".

I'm hoping Doncic showed him you don't need to be fast to get to the rim. You just need to get the defender on your side and then lean into him all the way to the rim. Sexton blows by his defender with crazy acceleration, but there's another way that also works. If Wade can develop that step-back fallaway and the ability to muscle his way to the rim against the smaller, leaner defenders he won't be totally dependent on whether his three-point shot is falling like he is now.

I was also a little intrigued by Kabengele as a power forward. This guy is 6'9", 250, strong, explosive, and can hit the 3. After starting out 1-for-5 on 3's he's hit 7 of his last 17 for 41%.

Kabengele has an NBA power forward's body and reminds me of Tristan Thompson on the offensive glass. He's relentless in going for offensive rebounds. He also runs the floor better than Love or TT. He had one play were he was well behind the fast break but got there in time for an explosive rebound and slam dunk. They showed the replay and Carr was impressed with his speed and hustle to catch up to the play and clean up with a monster jam.

He could play the 5, but we have Allen and Hartenstein. At the 4 next year we'll have Love, Nance, and Wade, so I don't know if Kabengele has a spot even if he can develop some more skills. But he's 23 with minimal NBA experience and in his last two games he's played 39 minutes with 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 foul, and 1 turnover. Not bad.

This team could use some muscle in the paint. Allen and Nance are too skinny and are all about finesse. Love can't bang in the paint anymore. Okoro is 6'5". Cedi is not physical. Hartenstein is the only physical presence we have inside. I'd like to see what Kabengele and Garland can do on the middle pick and roll .
 
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“The kid’s exhausted, we’ve been playing him a ton of minutes,” Bickerstaff explained. “He’s fighting through it, he won’t bow down, (shots) just wouldn’t go for him. He fought like hell at both ends of the floor and gave us all he had.”

I have a hard time criticizing Sexton. At this point in the season it would be easy for him to make a business decision and just go through the motions, take lots of 3's, and protect himself. But I see him passing up open 3's to attack the rim, knowing he's going to take a hit from a big and probably end up on the floor. He keeps doing it anyway. He only knows one way to play - full out, regardless of the situation.

In one of the Dallas games he drove to the rim and took a big hit with a minute to go and the Cavs down by 20. I appreciate the warrior mentality, especially from a guy whose place on the team is secure.

I'm really happy with Okoro's progress from a guy who played defense and then hid in the corner when the Cavs had the ball to where he is today. Next season he'll be starting out so far ahead of where he started this year. He scored in double figures in 9 of his last 10 games and last night got his first career double-double. I expect him to get about 20 more next year.

In his last five games Okoro is hitting 41% of his 3's and is more involved in the offense than ever.

Dean Wade did two exciting things last night. One, he drove to the rim and finished strong with a layup in traffic. Haven't seen him do that all year but now he's done it in back-to-back games. Two, he got the ball in the low post, backed his man down, then knocked down a Dirk Nowitzki step-back fallaway using good footwork. Haven't seen him do that, either. It was like playing two games against Luka Doncic this weekend turned on a light and he said, "Hey, I can do some of those things, too".

I'm hoping Doncic showed him you don't need to be fast to get to the rim. You just need to get the defender on your side and then lean into him all the way to the rim. Sexton blows by his defender with crazy acceleration, but there's another way that also works. If Wade can develop that step-back fallaway and the ability to muscle his way to the rim against the smaller, leaner defenders he won't be totally dependent on whether his three-point shot is falling like he is now.

I was also a little intrigued by Kabengele as a power forward. This guy is 6'9", 250, strong, explosive, and can hit the 3. After starting out 1-for-5 on 3's he's hit 7 of his last 17 for 41%.

Kabengele has an NBA power forward's body and reminds me of Tristan Thompson on the offensive glass. He's relentless in going for offensive rebounds. He also runs the floor better than Love or TT. He had one play were he was well behind the fast break but got there in time for an explosive rebound and slam dunk. They showed the replay and Carr was impressed with his speed and hustle to catch up to the play and clean up with a monster jam.

He could play the 5, but we have Allen and Hartenstein. At the 4 next year we'll have Love, Nance, and Wade, so I don't know if Kabengele has a spot even if he can develop some more skills. But he's 23 with minimal NBA experience and in his last two games he's played 39 minutes with 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 foul, and 1 turnover. Not bad.

This team could use some muscle in the paint. Allen and Nance are too skinny and are all about finesse. Love can't bang in the paint anymore. Okoro is 6'5". Cedi is not physical. Hartenstein is the only physical presence we have inside. I'd like to see what Kabengele and Garland can do on the middle pick and roll .
Good post. Kabengele actually opened my eyes to many of the same things when I watched him. I think he might be another steal. I like him at PF too, if he's going to be doing what he's doing.

As for Okoro, there was a shot taken by Martin (Cavs #3) that was so UGLY in form.... like MKG-esque that made me appreciate Okoro's lack of junk in his shooting form and feel more positive about what he does going forward. I keep saying "Free Okoro" (with spacing). He could add some Sexton-esque energy on the floor.
 
Good post. Kabengele actually opened my eyes to many of the same things when I watched him. I think he might be another steal. I like him at PF too, if he's going to be doing what he's doing.

As for Okoro, there was a shot taken by Martin (Cavs #3) that was so UGLY in form.... like MKG-esque that made me appreciate Okoro's lack of junk in his shooting form and feel more positive about what he does going forward. I keep saying "Free Okoro" (with spacing). He could add some Sexton-esque energy on the floor.

Kabengele has a motor. He is all over the place. That is really cool from a backup guy. Can he play with Hartenstein? That could would be a tough front line to bring off the bench
 
I actually agree with this pretty firmly and I’m someone who is openly pretty critical of Collin, I don’t blame him for much of anything since Darius got hurt since that’s when I considered the season over. That dude has to be absolutely exhausted and I always have loved his motor even in the most meaningless of games.

Been passing the ball fairly well.
 
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“The kid’s exhausted, we’ve been playing him a ton of minutes,” Bickerstaff explained. “He’s fighting through it, he won’t bow down, (shots) just wouldn’t go for him. He fought like hell at both ends of the floor and gave us all he had.”

I have a hard time criticizing Sexton. At this point in the season it would be easy for him to make a business decision and just go through the motions, take lots of 3's, and protect himself. But I see him passing up open 3's to attack the rim, knowing he's going to take a hit from a big and probably end up on the floor. He keeps doing it anyway. He only knows one way to play - full out, regardless of the situation.

In one of the Dallas games he drove to the rim and took a big hit with a minute to go and the Cavs down by 20. I appreciate the warrior mentality, especially from a guy whose place on the team is secure.

I'm really happy with Okoro's progress from a guy who played defense and then hid in the corner when the Cavs had the ball to where he is today. Next season he'll be starting out so far ahead of where he started this year. He scored in double figures in 9 of his last 10 games and last night got his first career double-double. I expect him to get about 20 more next year.

In his last five games Okoro is hitting 41% of his 3's and is more involved in the offense than ever.

Dean Wade did two exciting things last night. One, he drove to the rim and finished strong with a layup in traffic. Haven't seen him do that all year but now he's done it in back-to-back games. Two, he got the ball in the low post, backed his man down, then knocked down a Dirk Nowitzki step-back fallaway using good footwork. Haven't seen him do that, either. It was like playing two games against Luka Doncic this weekend turned on a light and he said, "Hey, I can do some of those things, too".

I'm hoping Doncic showed him you don't need to be fast to get to the rim. You just need to get the defender on your side and then lean into him all the way to the rim. Sexton blows by his defender with crazy acceleration, but there's another way that also works. If Wade can develop that step-back fallaway and the ability to muscle his way to the rim against the smaller, leaner defenders he won't be totally dependent on whether his three-point shot is falling like he is now.

I was also a little intrigued by Kabengele as a power forward. This guy is 6'9", 250, strong, explosive, and can hit the 3. After starting out 1-for-5 on 3's he's hit 7 of his last 17 for 41%.

Kabengele has an NBA power forward's body and reminds me of Tristan Thompson on the offensive glass. He's relentless in going for offensive rebounds. He also runs the floor better than Love or TT. He had one play were he was well behind the fast break but got there in time for an explosive rebound and slam dunk. They showed the replay and Carr was impressed with his speed and hustle to catch up to the play and clean up with a monster jam.

He could play the 5, but we have Allen and Hartenstein. At the 4 next year we'll have Love, Nance, and Wade, so I don't know if Kabengele has a spot even if he can develop some more skills. But he's 23 with minimal NBA experience and in his last two games he's played 39 minutes with 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 foul, and 1 turnover. Not bad.

This team could use some muscle in the paint. Allen and Nance are too skinny and are all about finesse. Love can't bang in the paint anymore. Okoro is 6'5". Cedi is not physical. Hartenstein is the only physical presence we have inside. I'd like to see what Kabengele and Garland can do on the middle pick and roll
Dean is not allowed to drive by JB. Brilliant basketball mind.
 
Been passing the ball fairly well.
I know the argument about usage and his assists being up but he just doesn’t have feel for the game at the level of an all star or max player. He could get there, but it seems like he is lacking in IQ more or less than skill. Been kinda the same problem his whole career tho he has improved. Maybe that improves with better shooters/scorers around him, but I understand why players would be frustrated playing next to him.

He is shot hunting which he should because he is the best scorer on the team by a significant margin but his ceiling would be drastically higher with garlands feel for the game. Still think he is an elite scorer though. There is an argument that it’s easier to get to 20+ points when you take the most shots, but he does it efficiently so I can’t complain.

I’m meh on him now tho, I think he has the lowest ceiling but highest floor and that floor is a borderline elite scoring combo guard. He is basically that now and will probably improve but I do question the feel/IQ which is harder to teach than individual skills.

I don’t need to turn this into a sexton referendum so I’ll fade out but that’s where I see it, still love him as a person and his motor but I don’t think he is without fallacy.
 
The Cavs are trying to build around hard workers (Sexton, Okoro, even Kabengele, etc, etc). Garland is potentially their only real skill guy and they obviously need a 6'8" skilled player in the worst way to make all this work. Now if they are lucky enough to draft a Cunningham and/or Mobley type (and bring in a legit vet PG) then you can start assessing fit. You can't say Sexton would or would not acquiesce to a franchise level player because the Cavs haven't had one. I'm guessing that he wants to win more than anything and will ultimately do whatever is asked by the coaching staff.
 
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I know the argument about usage and his assists being up but he just doesn’t have feel for the game at the level of an all star or max player. He could get there, but it seems like he is lacking in IQ more or less than skill. Been kinda the same problem his whole career tho he has improved. Maybe that improves with better shooters/scorers around him, but I understand why players would be frustrated playing next to him.

He is shot hunting which he should because he is the best scorer on the team by a significant margin but his ceiling would be drastically higher with garlands feel for the game. Still think he is an elite scorer though. There is an argument that it’s easier to get to 20+ points when you take the most shots, but he does it efficiently so I can’t complain.

I’m meh on him now tho, I think he has the lowest ceiling but highest floor and that floor is a borderline elite scoring combo guard. He is basically that now and will probably improve but I do question the feel/IQ which is harder to teach than individual skills.

I don’t need to turn this into a sexton referendum so I’ll fade out but that’s where I see it, still love him as a person and his motor but I don’t think he is without fallacy.

For sure I don't think his feel is like Garlands, but he has been getting assist off breaking the defense which is what the best scorers do. He is a half a step late getting the ball to his guy most of the time. I don't think that is something he can't figure out. Honestly, just not having tunnel vision was the biggest hurdle he had, and he has gotten through that. He isn't Clarkson and he isn't a chucker as evidenced by his efficiency.

He needs to watch tape and get the ball out faster. I don't think it is even going to be that hard for him. I see him making the right decisions with the wrong timing. He just needs to make faster decisions.

Kawhi Leonard's assist % is 24.6 and Collins is 22. That's in his 10th year vs 3rd. He needs to bump it up a bit, not a ton to be really dangerous. Shoot more 3's and he is pretty complete offensive player.

Some of the playmaking criticisms are old takes that were applicable before, but seem to be less true.
 
For sure I don't think his feel is like Garlands, but he has been getting assist off breaking the defense which is what the best scorers do. He is a half a step late getting the ball to his guy most of the time. I don't think that is something he can't figure out. Honestly, just not having tunnel vision was the biggest hurdle he had, and he has gotten through that. He isn't Clarkson and he isn't a chucker as evidenced by his efficiency.

He needs to watch tape and get the ball out faster. I don't think it is even going to be that hard for him. I see him making the right decisions with the wrong timing. He just needs to make faster decisions.

Kawhi Leonard's assist % is 24.6 and Collins is 22. That's in his 10th year vs 3rd. He needs to bump it up a bit, not a ton to be really dangerous. Shoot more 3's and he is pretty complete offensive player.

Some of the playmaking criticisms are old takes that were applicable before, but seem to be less true.
I agree with your overall premise but if Collin was 6’8 and had kawhis defensive chops, I wouldn’t care about his assist percentage or playmaking probably in the slightest haha
 
I agree with your overall premise but if Collin was 6’8 and had kawhis defensive chops, I wouldn’t care about his assist percentage or playmaking probably in the slightest haha

Guy that can't pass can be defended
 
Guy that can't pass can be defended
I think that proves my point though, kawhi isn’t a gifted passer by any means but he is still a superstar because he is good at basically everything else. I would have the same opinion of Collin if the size and skill circumstances were the same.

I trust Collin to get 20 pets even if he doesn’t get a single assist, I just don’t know where that takes your organization in terms of wins and losses.
 
I think that proves my point though, kawhi isn’t a gifted passer by any means but he is still a superstar because he is good at basically everything else. I would have the same opinion of Collin if the size and skill circumstances were the same.

I trust Collin to get 20 pets even if he doesn’t get a single assist, I just don’t know where that takes your organization in terms of wins and losses.

I just think he is a #2 and it will make a lot of sense if we get a #1
 

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