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Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game # 11 | Cavs @ Knickerbockers | Nov. 7, 2021

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Winners of three straight and 6 of their last 8 the high-flying Cavaliers land in the Big Apple to take on the 6-3 Knicks. The Knicks started 5-1 before losing to Toronto and Indiana. On Friday they beat Milwaukee, but the Bucks were without Khris Middleton, Jrue Holiday, Brook Lopez, and Donte DiVincenzo. The Bucks are 4-5, the Pacers 3-7.

They had impressive wins over Chicago and Philly early, but they have not looked that impressive in their last four games.

Last year the Knicks led the NBA in scoring defense and were just OK offensively. So far this season it’s been the reverse. The Knicks rank 4th in scoring at 113.0 ppg. They’re average in points in the paint and below average on fast break points. They’re mainly a three-point team, ranking 5th in percentage of points on 3’s and 26th in percentage of points on 2’s.

Here are the three-point percentages of their main shooters:

Randle 35.3%
Barrett 40.0%
Fournier 39.1%
Walker 48.1%
Rose 45.5%
Burks 40.6%

Very impressive. As a team they’re 5th in 3-point percentage.

Job One for the Cavs’ defense will be to contest as many 3’s as possible. With the height the Cavs have inside and the Knicks not much of a 2-point team, the emphasis has to be on defending the 3 even if it results in some blow-bys.

The Knicks are excellent at ball protection, ranking 6th in turnovers per play, and they get fouled a lot, ranking 3rd in free throws per possession. The Cavs’ defense fouls less than any team in the league, so it will be interesting to see if the Knicks can draw some fouls.

The Cavs can’t expect to get many turnovers so they’ll have to contest the 3’s and get the first rebound. The Knicks are 10th in offensive rebound percentage and the Cavs will have to do better than the 19 offensive boards they gave up to Toronto.

Defensively the Knicks have regressed, ranking 18th in scoring after leading the NBA last year. They are great at defending the paint, ranking 3rd thanks to 7’0” Mitchell Robinson and 6’8”, 250-pound Julius Randle. The Knicks are 9th in block percentage. Where they fall down a bit is in steals (22nd), defensive rebounding (17th), free throws (17th), and opponents 3-point percentage (18th).

This might be a game where the Cavs will have to hit some 3’s. The Cavs are 4th in points in the paint per game; the Knicks are 3rd in defending the paint. Something has to give.

This could be another close, relatively low scoring game. The Knicks are 4th in scoring but over the last eight games the Cavs are allowing only 99 points per game. Offensively, the Cavs’ strength, which is scoring in the paint, is countered by the Knicks’ excellent interior defense.

This one could come down to 3-point shooting - the Cavs’ ability to contain the Knicks’ outstanding long range shooters and the Cavs’ ability to knock down some 3’s against a team that defends the rim extremely well. I don’t think Sexton, Garland, and Rubio will have a lot of success dribbling into the paint tonight unless they’re drawing in the defense for a kick out. However, if Garland can get by 31-year-old Kemba Walker it might set up some lobs to Mobley or Allen or kickouts to the corner.

Julius Randle is off to a great start with a line of 21.9 pts, 11.3 boards, and 5.7 assists. He’s shooting only 42.7% so he’s a high volume shooter. I expect the Cavs will put Mobley on him so that should be a great matchup to watch. Randle is good at backing down lighter opponents and drawing fouls.

R.J. Barrett is averaging 19.2 pts and 5.8 rebounds. He’s more efficient than Randle, shooting 47.4% and 40.0%. He's going to be a challenge for Dean Wade and whoever else guards him - probably Cedi. Okoro is still out.

Evan Fournier is averaging 15.3 points on 41.5% and 39.1%. At 6'6" he's a matchup problem for Sexton. I expect Rubio to guard him most of the time so Sexton and Garland can guard Walker and Quickley.

Kemba Walker, age 31, is at 12.7 points on 44.0% and 48.1%. Most of these guys are better shooting 3’s than 2’s.

Derrick Rose, age 33, comes off the bench for 12.7 points on 46.3% and 45.5%. Ellis Burks, 30, is hitting 40.6% from deep.

This is a veteran bunch with the exceptions of Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, and Obi Toppin. Quickley and Toppin are averaging 15 minutes per game and 5.7 and 7.0 points.

I’m expecting a low scoring slugfest similar to the 102-101 win over Toronto. I think the Cavs’ defense will hold the Knicks well under their season average of 113 points and I don’t think the Cavs shoot 3’s well enough to get much over 100 points, if any. The Knicks are giving up 109 points per game, so I see both teams scoring about 100.

For those who are interested in the Knicks, here is a piece of John Hollinger’s season preview:

…this team projects to be the anti-Knicks: a hard-nosed team with a lot of solid players and no superstars.

[A lot like the Cavs!]

On the downside, there are regression red flags all over the place here. The 2020-21 defensive numbers are almost certainly unsustainable, and Randle’s ability to maintain last year’s percentages from the perimeter seems questionable as well. Randle and Barrett also were first and second in the league in minutes; even if Thibodeau’s tendency to run his players into the ground doesn’t take some of their juice this season, sheer luck informs us that they’re unlikely to be available quite as much this time around.

And yet, the Knicks have a wind at their back in other respects. Walker should be a massive upgrade on the point-guard play from a year ago, and the Knicks (gasp) have actual young players who could improve this year, notably Barrett, Toppin and Quickley. Toppin, in particular, seemed to turn the corner late after struggling most of the year. Offensively, the addition of Fournier, while likely an overpay, unquestionably adds some offensive dynamism to an attack that easily bogged down into Randle iso-ball a year ago.

Size it all up, and the Knicks are likely to end up in roughly the same place. They aren’t going to threaten the East’s upper crust, but with the backcourt upgrades and the young-ish roster, enough of what happened last year should carry over to comfortably return them to the playoffs.
 
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Cavs need to attack Kemba and Fournier in the PnR. They both suck at handling screens.

Cavs will also need to attack through Allen in the post against Mitch. He gives up ground when backed down through his chest. He has a weak core and despite his length and leaping ability will not be able to do too much if you go right at him.
 
Is this the game Garland starts getting doubled more? it's coming soon if not, especially if it doesn't happen today and he pulls some more late game heroics like in Toronto.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when it happens and Sexton suddenly goes off. It will prove Sexland needs eachother afterall
 
Is this the game Garland starts getting doubled more? it's coming soon if not, especially if it doesn't happen today and he pulls some more late game heroics like in Toronto.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when it happens and Sexton suddenly goes off. It will prove Sexland needs eachother afterall

You’re obsession is getting weirder by the day. From one weirdo to another: chill out dude.
 
We got another tough one against the Knicks;hopefully,my stream acts right and the Cavs win tonight.
 
You’re obsession is getting weirder by the day. From one weirdo to another: chill out dude.
It is gonna happen eventually regardless of if it is Sexton or Mobley or someone else who has to take advantage of Garland's new attention from defenses going forward. If you honestly think he won't start getting the same treatment Sexton has gotten since the Nets game last season than maybe Garland isn't as good as so many claim at all.
I actually am acknowledging how impressive he as been at times, but don't have any proof and neither does anyone that he can continue to do it with double teams all game so until he proves he can he aint no better than the guy who is normally out there not the 4th quarter cowboy
 
Randall is the one that worries me this game, he's owned us in the past. Hopefully the tri-towers concept makes him uncomfortable.
 
Sexton's road to redemption tonight????
as usual you missed the entire point.
Sexton is NOT going to do shit as a shooter on this team this season until his shoulder is better but it definitely is not going to matter if he is healthy and shooting better either until somebody else starts drawing defenders out of the driving lanes and freeing him up to drive like he was to start the season where his potential dime rate skyrocketed from previous years despite his passing not being converted by said non shooters.
DG starts getting doubled and things will open up for Sexton some immediately just by fact he isn't being doubled in that case or someone else is wide open
 
Randall is the one that worries me this game, he's owned us in the past. Hopefully the tri-towers concept makes him uncomfortable.
I bet he forces it and gets owned by Mobley
 
I feel like Fouriner is one of those guys who goes off against us.
 
Expecting Randle to give us a little trouble. It's a shame Kemba isn't playing. Despite his 3P shooting, he's been trash this year. The Knicks are 22.3 points per 100 possessions better on defense with Kemba off.
 

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