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You close games with D.. if Mobley plays this game we win..
How do you have that as a better season statistically?
Worse in FG%, 3P%, TS%, FT%
Sightly better A/TO ratio, better rebounding, and 2 more FT per game.
Scoring more because he's taking 3 more shots per game, but at best similar seasons, Certainly not better.
82nd percentile in EPM.He's actually not. He's like right on the money average.
Im comfortable with where he is at 21 and far more interested in his long term chemistry with Mobley the statistical difference between year two and the first 16 games(for him) of year three. I also don't think Cole Anthony sucks so comparisons to him don't do much for me one way or the other, though again, Garlands shooting numbers and efficiency are far better than Anthony's and the rebounding discrepancy is not something that is going to make me value one PG over another. Size of teammates and scheme can have a lot to do with rebounding numbers. It's nice, but not a critical data point for me when discussing PG play.Well he's rebounding a helluva a lot more and he gets to the FT line twice as much as Garland, helping to make up for the FG%.
But Garalnd grabs 2 boards a game and Anthony is getting 6. That's a big damn difference.
But w/e. Cole Anthony and Darius Garland are having equal seasons.
Is that something makes you confident or not?
I'm just curious what people are projecting Garland to be. Because right now he's absolutely, 100%, a league average starting PG and is extremely close to the player he was last year.
82nd percentile in EPM.
66th percentile in RAPTOR.
73rd percentile in BPM.
On-Off is pretty kind to him with a +5.5 and will only be higher after today's game being +13 in a 5 point loss.
18.3 ppg and 6.8 apg while shooting on +1.4% TS relative to league average.
Great advanced playmaking metrics.
Responsible for a big offensive load on a 9-9 team that doesn't have much offensive talent, doesn't have great coaching, and has had a lot of injuries.
Even if he's "just" an average starter that's pretty good for a dude who's only 21 years old because it would mean he's better than like 80% of players in the NBA already. When you see tons of All-Star guards either coming into the league around DG's age or taking years before their production actually matched true All-Star level impact in the advanced metrics, it's not out of the question that Garland can do the same considering his development already from one of the worst players in the league his rookie season to where he is now.
Again, if you can say he's already an average starter at his age, I don't know how that makes him not part of his core going forward. Does everyone have to have All-Star impact by 22 or we throw them away and search for the next addition to the team?
I mean Allen could just as well be traded for a star in a home run swing. I guarantee you the Cavs prioritize DG more than Allen, as they should. All three are the clear core pieces going forward though, and the hope is that we can build thing organically. Obviously we need that stud wing, but that'll be hard to acquire regardless.You responded to a post where I said I'd be ok if Koby, with keeping Mobley and Allen in mind, made a homerun swing.
That's not throwing anyone away at all. That's trying to find a legit star player instead of hoping to pick one in the draft.
Im comfortable with where he is at 21 and far more interested in his long term chemistry with Mobley the statistical difference between year two and the first 16 games(for him) of year three. I also don't think Cole Anthony sucks so comparisons to him don't do much for me one way or the other, though again, Garlands shooting numbers and efficiency are far better than Anthony's and the rebounding discrepancy is not something that is going to make me value one PG over another. Size of teammates and scheme can have a lot to do with rebounding numbers. It's nice, but not a critical data point for me when discussing PG play.
I don't know what to do with +/- since it seems to get used by all sides only when it benefits their own argument but the Cavs tonight were +13 in Garlands 39 minutes. Given that number of minutes and his role, I don't think that's just a throw away number
I mean Allen could just as well be traded for a star in a home run swing. I guarantee you the Cavs prioritize DG more than Allen, as they should. All three are the clear core pieces going forward though, and the hope is that we can build thing organically. Obviously we need that stud wing, but that'll be hard to acquire regardless.
Garland is maybe slightly worse than Allen right now as a player, but has a lot more room to grow. Allen for the most part is who he is as a player at this point imo. He's not anything special as a creator and most likely never will be because he doesn't have great vision, doesn't have the frame for being able to dominate in the paint, lacks outstanding hands or touch, and doesn't have any semblance of an outside shot or handles. And listen, I really like Allen on this team. He's a good finisher in the PnR and when he can exploit smalls switched onto him. And he's a very good but not elite defender. But it's important to realize his limitations. He'll likely always be a guy below All-Star level at his best.They 100% should not. That's crazy talk.