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Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #20 | Magic @ Cavs | Nov. 27, 2021

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The Cavs finally get a break in the schedule with a home game against the 4-16 Orlando Magic. The Cavs have had two days off at home while the Magic will be playing their third game in four days. This will be the second of a back-to-back after the Magic lost by 35 points last night at home against the Bulls.

To make matters worse for the Magic, Mobley and Stevens are expected to play, meaning the Cavs will be 100% with the exception of Sexton.

On paper it appears the Magic will need a lot of magic to come out of this with a win. They’ve lost eight of their last nine.

Their leading scorer, Cole Anthony (19.6 ppg, 6.8 rebounds and 5.9 assists), is questionable and missed the last couple of games with an ankle problem. After Anthony they have five players averaging between 10.4 and 12.6 ppg. As a team they are averaging 100.8 ppg which ranks 27th. If Anthony is out they're probably 30th in offense and with Mobley back points should be tough to come by even if Anthony plays.

The Magic are basically a three-point team, ranking 4th in percentage of points from 3’s. The shoot a lot of them, ranking 5th at 44.4%. But they’re only 22nd in accuracy, making 33.3% from deep. With all those 3’s they don’t get fouled a lot, ranking 26th in free throws per possession.

The Magic do not protect the ball well, ranking 25th in turnovers per play.

Defensively the Magic are 24th in scoring defense. They’re last in steals per possession and 26th in defensive rebounding percentage. They give up a lot of second chance shots. Opponents are averaging 110.6 ppg.

CBSports.com has the Magic ranked 30th of 30 teams in their Power Ranking. The Cavs are 22nd after losing five in a row.

Orlando has some big boys on their roster. Mo Bamba is 7’0”, Wendall Carter Jr. is 6’10” and 270 pounds, Robin Lopez is 7’0”, 280, and the Wagner brothers, Moritz and Franz, are 6’10” and 6’11”. When you add in Allen, Mobley, and Markkanen there are going to be a lot of trees on the court tonight. Any little kid attending his first NBA game with a front row seat is going to be blown away.

Rookie #5 pick Jalen Suggs, who was in the conversation for the Cavs at #3 if Mobley was gone, is shooting 33.0% overall and 23.7% on 3’s. He’s off to a rocky start to say the least. Sam Vecenie of The Athletic ranks him 10th among rookies. But as Vecenie points out, the Magic are doing well when he’s on the floor…

Jalen Suggs has been off to a disastrous start on offense, struggling to do anything in terms of producing box score numbers. The game looks fast for him. His handle hasn’t been all that great, and he’s shooting very poorly both from the interior and from 3. In terms of production, he’s been poor. Some metrics have him as the least effective rookie in the league right now, undoubtedly due to his lack of efficiency. He’s being asked to do a lot, acting as a secondary ballhandler who creates offense next to Cole Anthony and even at times being the primary initiator. Rookie 20-year-olds tend to be bad when a lot is put on their shoulders in terms of the primary offensive responsibilities (notice, all the guys ahead of him).

[My comment: Look at Darius Garland's rookie year]

But here’s the thing: Orlando’s starting lineup with Suggs on the floor has actually been really good, and that’s not exactly an immensely talented group by NBA standards featuring Anthony, Franz Wagner, Wendell Carter and Mo Bamba. That five-man lineup has an average age of 21 years old. It’s almost impossible for young players to play winning basketball at the NBA level, and this group has generally done it. The problem has been when anyone outside of those five has been out there.

With those five playing together, the Magic aren’t just outscoring teams; they’re actually kind of crushing them. In the 144 minutes they’ve played together, Orlando has won those minutes by 15.3 points per 100 possessions. Replace Suggs with his backup, Gary Harris, and the Magic are losing those minutes by 31 points per 100 possessions. Replace Suggs with Terrance Ross, and the team loses those minutes by 3.8 points per 100. Are these numbers noisy? Undeniably, they are. But those lineups have also mostly come against other teams’ starters too, and they’re still winning those minutes by a substantial margin.

Suggs (and Wagner, for that matter) has been to do what very few other rookies have been able to: be part of primary lineups that have been this purely effective thus far. In part, that’s because the team has defended well in those minutes, and Suggs is the biggest part of that on the perimeter. He’s been very effective on that end. He’s conscientious in transition, sprinting back to cover for the two-big arrangement. He’s constantly around the ball. He buzzes off the ball and is always in the right spot rotationally. He gets deflections and creates transition opportunities with his speed.

The Magic only lose their minutes in aggregate when Suggs is on the court by three points per 100. When he’s not on the court, they’re losing their minutes by nearly 18 points per 100. Once the production comes around and the game slows down, Suggs has a real shot to make a genuine impact on winning situations, even if he hasn’t been a positive individual performer thus far. That’s why he slots ahead of the next guy. (Jalen Green)


Bottom line is the Magic are 4-16 and are playing on the second night of a back-to-back against a rested Cavs squad in Cleveland. They may also be without their best player. On paper this should be a pretty easy win for the Cavs.
 
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Sam Vecenie of The Athletic has Magic rookie Franz Wagner ranked 3rd among this year's rookie crop.

3. Franz Wagner, Orlando Magic

This is one of the more surprising early-season starts for me. Franz Wagner is a 20-year-old who struggled in the preseason and in summer league for the Magic. It seemed like there might be a bit of a learning curve for the German wing, even though his reputation entering the NBA was one of demonstrated competence within scheme. Indeed, that competence has shown through. He has been awesome so far for a Magic team that fights every night but is just undermanned off the bench. As we’ll talk about later, the starters perform well. Wagner is a big piece why. He’s just a steady, solid presence out there.

There’s not much he can’t do at least at an adequate level. He can run dribble-handoffs as a ballhandler and make reads. He can play as a spot shooter, having hit 37 percent from 3. He’s an awesome cutter who times his runs to the rim extremely well to catch defenders off balance. The Magic have even started to expand his responsibilities to running some pick-and-rolls and initiating offense from the occasional middle ball screen. He’s had a few major highlights, including an enormous dunk on RJ Barrett. But it’s more the polish and patience that he’s shown as a ballhandler at times that has caught my eye as the Magic just keep putting things on his plate. Check out this play, where his poise and recognition are off the charts...(video)

Throw in that Wagner continues to be a solid defender while averaging an efficient 14 points — while not needing a lot of usage to get there — with four rebounds and two assists? Yeah, he’s been extremely good so far, and some of the on-ball capabilities that have been flashed have made me rethink what his long-term upside is if things break right over the next couple of years. He’s just so solid at everything.
 
Ready for a good 'ol fashioned butt whipping. With Mobley coming back, the Cavs should have this game in hand by halftime.
 
Very strange net rating for a bad team to be plus 15 with their starters and still losing so badly
 
We shouldn’t be talking about any game as a gimme, we will have to play with the same intensity like we’re playing one of the top teams in the league, or this game can go either way,……
 
It will be interesting noting how differently the Cavs perform
on both ends with Mobley in the game.

The Cavs play hungry and it's fun to watch. That's quite a turnaround
from anything in several seasons.

I want to see ball and player movement , no more hero ball
with the injured guys back.
 
This is a game you have to win.

Magic are 4-16 with a -10.38 SRS (worst in the league). They’re probably going to be missing their best player, Cole Anthony, who’s posting a +22.6 on-off that no one else on the team is even close to and who the team is on a 4 game losing streak without, where they’ve lost by 20.5 ppg on average.

You win this and now you’re 10-10 heading into a pretty tough stretch of @Dallas, @Miami, @Washington, Utah, @Milwaukee, Chicago... You lose this game and now you’re on a 5 game losing streak that could end up being pushed to potentially double digits in all honesty. Finally, outside of Sexton (and Lamar lol), the team is finally healthy and so it’s a good opportunity to for the young guys to establish some confidence in themselves that they can take care of bottom feeders like this, no problem. Rather than losing a game like this, being 9-11 with this tough stretch coming up, and suddenly questioning if they’re good after all.

I honestly think this is the kind of game that will show us the direction of the team this season. Are we going to fall apart after a hot start like last year? Or are we legitimately going to fight for a playoff spot?
 
Looking forward to seeing that Garland/Okoro/Lauri/Mobley/Allen lineup with Rubio/Love/Cedi coming off the bench in their rightful places.
 
If there was ever a time when Cleveland sports fans (most of whom are Ohio State fans) needed to see Evan Mobley return to the lineup, it's tonight.
 
Orlando has some big boys on their roster. Mo Bamba is 7’0”, Wendall Carter Jr. is 6’10” and 270 pounds, Robin Lopez is 7’0”, 280, and the Wagner brothers, Moritz and Franz, are 6’10” and 6’11”. When you add in Allen, Mobley, and Markkanen there are going to be a lot of trees on the court tonight. Any little kid attending his first NBA game with a front row seat is going to be blown away.
lol, so very funny and true.
 
Cole Anthony is OUT. Mo Bamba and Terrance Ross are day-to-day. Hard to see how the Cavs could lose this one at home with the Magic on the second night of a back-to-back and their best player out.

However, last night the Magic and Bulls were tied 27-27 after one quarter before the Bulls outscored them by 21 in the 2nd and 3rd to put it away. The Magic had three players off their bench who were -31, -32, and -33 in 20-25 minutes. Once you get into their bench they're in a lot of trouble.

I'm must saying don't panic if the Cavs aren't way up after the first quarter.
 
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Okoro - Stevens - Wade - Mobley - Allen could be a good defensive closing lineup in the last minute-need-a-stop situation. I do think Okoro will get better at navigating screens.
 
I wouldn't mind it if the Cavs traded for Robin Lopez, who now plays for the Magic. He's shooting 57% from the field in 13 minutes per game. I'd have Lopez back up Allen while at PF Love backs up Mobley.

Lopez is making $5 million this year and is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. This is his 14th pro season.
 
I wouldn't mind it if the Cavs traded for Robin Lopez, who now plays for the Magic. He's shooting 57% from the field in 13 minutes per game. I'd have Lopez back up Allen while at PF Love backs up Mobley.

Lopez is making $5 million this year and is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. This is his 14th pro season.

The type of move I hope the Cavs make in December. 2nd round pick and some salary filler should be enough for a bad Orlando team barely playing him in the first place.
 
Magic are 4-16 with a -10.38 SRS (worst in the league). They’re probably going to be missing their best player, Cole Anthony, who’s posting a +22.6 on-off that no one else on the team is even close to....
CleaningtheGlass.com has the Magic at +26.9 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor, which puts him in the top 1% of NBA players. Nobody improves his team more than Anthony except Giannis (+33.0), Jokic (+30.5), and Aaron Gordon (+28.4).

Wendell Carter Jr is right behind him at +21.6 (96th percentile) and rookie Franz Wagner is at +15.7 (89th percentile). It appears when these three are on the floor together they are very effective, as Sam Vecenie pointed out.

With Anthony out it will hurt Carter and Wagner's numbers. Jalen Suggs is at +6.3, Moritz Wagner is +0.8, and everybody else is in the negative.
 

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