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Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #81 | Cavs @ Nets | April 8, 2022 | 7:30 p.m.

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Coming off a brutal loss to the Magic the Cavaliers engage the Brooklyn Nets in a huge game in the Big Apple. The Nets are tied for 8th with the Atlanta Hawks, one game behind the Cavs. The season series is 2-1 in favor of the Nets so if they win they take over the 7th spot in the standings. If the Cavs win they clinch the 7th spot unless they lose to Milwaukee and the Hawks win their last two in which case the Cavs would be 8th.

Since the Nets’ last game is at home against the Pacers (an easy win), the Nets could effectively secure 7th place with a win tonight.

Fans will be scoreboard watching tonight as the Hawks play at Miami and the Hornets play at Chicago. The Cavs could still finish 9th depending on how the last two games play out.

Obviously with 7th place in their sights the Nets will be jacked up for this game. Recently the Nets have been beating the weaker teams (New York, Houston, Detroit) and losing to the better teams (Atlanta, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Memphis). They are 4-4 in their last eight games.

I’m not going to go through the Nets’ season rankings simply because they are a much different team than they were earlier. Kyrie Irving has only played 27 games due to his refusal to be vaccinated, but that’s over now. James Harden played 44 games with the Nets but has been traded. We have to look at who the Nets are now.

The Nets are going as far as Kyrie and Kevin Durant can carry them. In the last six games Kyrie has played between 40-45 minutes. Durant is averaging over 40 minutes recently. In the Nets’ last game Kyrie and KD played 42-43 minutes. It’s a sprint to the finish and nobody is getting rested. No question these two will play at least 42 minutes each tonight if the game is close.

Kyrie is averaging 27.5 points. He’s hitting 42% of his 3’s on the season and 48% in March. Durant is averaging 29.9 points on 52% from the field and 38.5% on 3’s. He has three games of more than 50 points this season. Kyrie has a 60-point game.

My expectation is that these two superstars will bring all their powers to bear in order to win this crucial game. In Wednesday's game they took over 50% of the team’s shots and tonight will be no different.

Seth Curry is averaging 15.1 points and shooting 45.5% on 3’s since being traded to the Nets, so you can’t double the big guns and leave him open. However, Curry is listed as a game time decision so there’s a chance he will be out.

Bruce Brown averages 8.7 points but is hitting 40% of his 3’s. Patty Mills comes off the bench and is shooting 40% from deep. He’s shooting 48.3% on 3’s against the Cavs this year at 16.5 ppg.

Andre Drummond is their starting center and with Allen out it will be tough keeping him off the glass.

The Cavs are coming off their most disappointing loss of the season as they gave up 120 points to the 20-59 Magic who were missing their three top scorers. JBB said after the game that the Cavs were “outcompeted”. A last place team playing out the string in a meaningless game "outcompeted" the Cavaliers in a must-win game. That was shocking especially given how hard the Cavs have fought this year with their “junkyard dog” mentality.

So the Cavs have had two days to think about that and game plan for Brooklyn. I’m sure Bickerstaff has given them a few well-chosen words in practice the last couple of days. I expect the Cavs to come out with fire in their eyes and give it all they have. It should be a pretty intense game.

Evan Mobley went through a full practice yesterday and is likely to play. If he does it could be huge for the Cavs as he has the mobility and length to distract Durant on his 3-point shots and also help out on Kyrie when he gets penetration.

How the Cavs plan to defend Durant and Kyrie is the question. You have to double them but that leaves sharpshooters like Mills, Curry, and Brown open for uncontested 3’s. When Kyrie beats his man off the dribble and a big has to challenge his shot it leaves Drummond uncontested at the rim for a lob or a put-back.

After the loss to Orlando the Cavs talked about how they need to prevent dribble penetration and corner 3’s. They’ve had two days to work on that. Personally I'm sick and tired of seeing an opponent dribble around a high screen, come down the lane with a Cavalier player on his back, and then kick it to the corner for a teammate to have all day to sight in and knock down a three with no Cavs in the same zip code.

The Nets may seem like an offensive juggernaut but in their last three games they scored 110, 118, and 115 points against New York, Houston, and Atlanta - not that impressive. The Cavs need to play outstanding individual and team defense tonight to hold the Nets to around 110-115 points to have a shot. The Nets are not great defensively, ranking 19th in points allowed per game.

In their last game the Cavs hit 44.4% of their 3’s. That’s what it might take tonight if they want to have any chance of stealing a win. But my gut says that Durant and Kyrie will do whatever it takes in order to get the W. In games like this it’s usually the team that has the superstars that wins. I will be shocked if the Cavs find a way to pull this one out.

I’m assuming Bickerstaff will keep rotating the players defending Durant and Kyrie so they will always be guarded by somebody fresh and they will have to work hard to get their shots. It will really help if Curry and his 45% 3-point shooting is out.

If Mobley is back I’m wondering if JBB will start a big front line of Moses Brown, Mobley, and Markkanen. Starting forward Bruce Brown is 6’4” so somebody would have a big height advantage when posting him up. That would be a lot of rim protection and rebounding.

I’m expecting a totally different Cavs team than we saw Tuesday. They are NOT going to be “outcompeted” this time. JBB will have them ready. Whether that will be enough to overcome the offensive talent of the Nets is the question.
 
Hoping to see the Cavs dig down deep, get a huge return game from Garland, and play their best game since losing Rubio and surprise the Nets.

But I think Lauri Markannen is gonna guard KD (not sure there’s even a better option which is sad..Mobley would be the guy but without Allen we can’t leave the middle exposed all night) and we’re gonna get blitzed.

Probably gonna overhelp on KD and Kyrie to the tune of 7 threes from Seth Curry and 4 or 5 from “insert bench scrub here”. Even though overhelping on Kyrie is pointless because hes gonna finish anyway no matter what kinda ridiculous spin he has to put on the ball or where he has to graze the backboard with it. You can only guard Kyrie by staying in front of him with length and hoping his jump shot is off…which it usually isn’t. The key is taking advantage of him on the other end of the floor. Which I’m confident Garland will do but if we don’t get a good Okoro game with him attacking Irving in the half court I don’t really know what to do.
 
If Mobley is back I’m wondering if JBB will start a big front line of Moses Brown, Mobley, and Markkanen.
Nah. That would mean sending LeVert back to the bench, and I don't think JBB wants to do that… and we all know Okoro will start.
 
But I think Lauri Markannen is gonna guard KD (not sure there’s even a better option which is sad..Mobley would be the guy but without Allen we can’t leave the middle exposed all night) and we’re gonna get blitzed.

It doesn't matter who guards KD.

Mobley hasn't locked up anyone 1-on-1 this season, particularly near the perimeter where Durant will spend most of his time. His value as a defender comes from changing shots in the interior and providing weak side shotblocking.

KD and Kyrie will get theirs anyway if they happen to be on. Cavs only have a chance if 3-4 of our guys get hot at the same time.
 
It doesn't matter who guards KD.

Mobley hasn't locked up anyone 1-on-1 this season, particularly near the perimeter where Durant will spend most of his time. His value as a defender comes from changing shots in the interior and providing weak side shotblocking.

KD and Kyrie will get theirs anyway if they happen to be on. Cavs only have a chance if 3-4 of our guys get hot at the same time.

Mobley has multiple instances this season of guarding perimeter players for long stretches and shutting their water completely off. His value as a defender is not only on the interior. His switch ability and ability to contest shots all over the court and stop dribble penetration on switches is why he’s in consideration for an all defense team as a rookie.
 
To me this game comes down to Isaac Okoro.

If he attacks and goes THROUGH Irving on offense, we have a chance.

If he is passive AND giving up buckets on the other end, even if they are tough buckets, we lose.

It’s simple.

We can’t play 4 on 5 in his minutes anymore
 
To me this game comes down to Isaac Okoro.

If he attacks and goes THROUGH Irving on offense, we have a chance.

If he is passive AND giving up buckets on the other end, even if they are tough buckets, we lose.

It’s simple.

We can’t play 4 on 5 in his minutes anymore

And I need Mobley to get shots and looks all night. I need him to come out going hard at the basket and that to be the plan. I don’t care if he ends up 2-10 and it backfires. If we don’t try to establish him as an offensive threat that they have to deal with early and often…and continue pressing that all night….it’s going to contribute negatively to Okoros ability to attack. It’s going to lead to these one pass around perimeter catch and shoot threes that Love and Markannen love to launch. It will lead to Garland over dribbling and having guys draped all over him every time he jets towards the rim. Mobley has to be a force offensively and defensivsly(not worry about that…he will be a force defensively all night regardless) for us to play at our best.

Okoro can back cut Kyrie all day if Mobley gets the ball in the middle of the court. Kyrie is an undisciplined ball watcher and will gamble towards Mobley for steals. Mobley can drop it over his left shoulder for an open reverse layup for multiple assists tonight probably.

Get the little line drive hook going. The drop step into a shoulder into an upright 8 foot hook. The up and under off the glass he started doing around Christmas…the stop and pop from 12 feet. The conceded elbow jumper. A turnaround fadeaway or two if he’s feeling it. My favorite move where he goes right into the teeth of the paint, middle near top of the restricted zone….going left to right where he just lightly bumps into the dudes chest, and use his elite other worldly quick twitch jumping ability to straighten up, jump up and float in a 4 footer. Money in the bank. Then when they start doubling him, and they will, BOOM….Okoro back cut….handoffs to Garland or Levert two man game coming off of a flare screen then dive for lobs or give them the wide open middie, or a simple post kick to Lauri or Love who swing it once or twice to turn a good look into an open look into a wide open look…BANG…and I would throw in Cedi coming off a screen like Korver because it worked earlier this year but I don’t trust Cedi to carry the jockstraps at this point. Maybe a little high-low action to a sealed Lauri for an interior dunk…or Moses Brown if they play any minutes together. Hopefully Love stays on the perimeter to catch and shoot/swing because I’m sick of his turnovers.

Mobley is the key to a win. If he starts playing his game like listed above, all things that we know he can do……Garland is going to flat out dominate. He’s going to be efficient. He’s going to score at least 25 and dish out at least 12. And LeVert is going to be somewhere around his patented 18-5-5 give or take a couple of each stat.


Patty Mills has killed us this year. Need someone to stay attached to that dude. Where’s Windler? He won’t lost Patty if you throw him in and tell him to not lose him. And if Windler gets 5 open looks today I bet at least 3 are splashing through. He’s too pure of a shooter to miss 10-15 good looks in a row.
 
I agree Patty Mills or Seth Curry could really hurt us, especially if all eyes are on Durant and Kyrie when they have the ball. Gotta stick with the 3-point shooters and make Brooklyn beat us shooting 2's.

If Okoro is really an elite defender this is the game for him to demonstrate that.

The Cavs need Love and Cedi to come off the bench and knock down some 3's. We can't afford either of them to have one of those 2-for-7 games. Neither of them provides much defense so they need to be hot from deep.

I hope Garland doesn't get into a 1-on-1 contest with Kyrie. Darius needs to play within the offense and take the points that come. With Mobley and Brown in the game the lobs will be there.

The Nets are small at the guard position; Kyrie and Curry are 6'2" while Mills is listed at 6'0". LeVert should be able to get into the paint and get his fallaways off easily against these guys. Okoro and Stevens should be able to bulldoze their way to the rim against the Nets' small guards or against Bruce Brown, listed at 6'4", 202. However, the Nets rank 6th in blocked shot percentage with Drummond, Durant, and 6'11" backup center Nic Claxton hanging around.

This could be a fairly high scoring game. The Cavs have scored over 100 points in 12 of their last 13.
 
And I need Mobley to get shots and looks all night. I need him to come out going hard at the basket and that to be the plan. I don’t care if he ends up 2-10 and it backfires. If we don’t try to establish him as an offensive threat that they have to deal with early and often…and continue pressing that all night….it’s going to contribute negatively to Okoros ability to attack. It’s going to lead to these one pass around perimeter catch and shoot threes that Love and Markannen love to launch. It will lead to Garland over dribbling and having guys draped all over him every time he jets towards the rim. Mobley has to be a force offensively and defensivsly(not worry about that…he will be a force defensively all night regardless) for us to play at our best.

Okoro can back cut Kyrie all day if Mobley gets the ball in the middle of the court. Kyrie is an undisciplined ball watcher and will gamble towards Mobley for steals. Mobley can drop it over his left shoulder for an open reverse layup for multiple assists tonight probably.

Get the little line drive hook going. The drop step into a shoulder into an upright 8 foot hook. The up and under off the glass he started doing around Christmas…the stop and pop from 12 feet. The conceded elbow jumper. A turnaround fadeaway or two if he’s feeling it. My favorite move where he goes right into the teeth of the paint, middle near top of the restricted zone….going left to right where he just lightly bumps into the dudes chest, and use his elite other worldly quick twitch jumping ability to straighten up, jump up and float in a 4 footer. Money in the bank. Then when they start doubling him, and they will, BOOM….Okoro back cut….handoffs to Garland or Levert two man game coming off of a flare screen then dive for lobs or give them the wide open middie, or a simple post kick to Lauri or Love who swing it once or twice to turn a good look into an open look into a wide open look…BANG…and I would throw in Cedi coming off a screen like Korver because it worked earlier this year but I don’t trust Cedi to carry the jockstraps at this point. Maybe a little high-low action to a sealed Lauri for an interior dunk…or Moses Brown if they play any minutes together. Hopefully Love stays on the perimeter to catch and shoot/swing because I’m sick of his turnovers.

Mobley is the key to a win. If he starts playing his game like listed above, all things that we know he can do……Garland is going to flat out dominate. He’s going to be efficient. He’s going to score at least 25 and dish out at least 12. And LeVert is going to be somewhere around his patented 18-5-5 give or take a couple of each stat.


Patty Mills has killed us this year. Need someone to stay attached to that dude. Where’s Windler? He won’t lost Patty if you throw him in and tell him to not lose him. And if Windler gets 5 open looks today I bet at least 3 are splashing through. He’s too pure of a shooter to miss 10-15 good looks in a row.
For the life of me I understand why people keep believing Windler is this “pure” shooter! HE’S NOT!!!!! Nothing about his form or stroke says “pure shooter”! I can’t even fix my lips to call him a streaky shooter! Pure shooters have no conscience. Windler is too timid out there to pull the trigger. No real confidence in his shot!
And I need Mobley to get shots and looks all night. I need him to come out going hard at the basket and that to be the plan. I don’t care if he ends up 2-10 and it backfires. If we don’t try to establish him as an offensive threat that they have to deal with early and often…and continue pressing that all night….it’s going to contribute negatively to Okoros ability to attack. It’s going to lead to these one pass around perimeter catch and shoot threes that Love and Markannen love to launch. It will lead to Garland over dribbling and having guys draped all over him every time he jets towards the rim. Mobley has to be a force offensively and defensivsly(not worry about that…he will be a force defensively all night regardless) for us to play at our best.

Okoro can back cut Kyrie all day if Mobley gets the ball in the middle of the court. Kyrie is an undisciplined ball watcher and will gamble towards Mobley for steals. Mobley can drop it over his left shoulder for an open reverse layup for multiple assists tonight probably.

Get the little line drive hook going. The drop step into a shoulder into an upright 8 foot hook. The up and under off the glass he started doing around Christmas…the stop and pop from 12 feet. The conceded elbow jumper. A turnaround fadeaway or two if he’s feeling it. My favorite move where he goes right into the teeth of the paint, middle near top of the restricted zone….going left to right where he just lightly bumps into the dudes chest, and use his elite other worldly quick twitch jumping ability to straighten up, jump up and float in a 4 footer. Money in the bank. Then when they start doubling him, and they will, BOOM….Okoro back cut….handoffs to Garland or Levert two man game coming off of a flare screen then dive for lobs or give them the wide open middie, or a simple post kick to Lauri or Love who swing it once or twice to turn a good look into an open look into a wide open look…BANG…and I would throw in Cedi coming off a screen like Korver because it worked earlier this year but I don’t trust Cedi to carry the jockstraps at this point. Maybe a little high-low action to a sealed Lauri for an interior dunk…or Moses Brown if they play any minutes together. Hopefully Love stays on the perimeter to catch and shoot/swing because I’m sick of his turnovers.

Mobley is the key to a win. If he starts playing his game like listed above, all things that we know he can do……Garland is going to flat out dominate. He’s going to be efficient. He’s going to score at least 25 and dish out at least 12. And LeVert is going to be somewhere around his patented 18-5-5 give or take a couple of each stat.


Patty Mills has killed us this year. Need someone to stay attached to that dude. Where’s Windler? He won’t lost Patty if you throw him in and tell him to not lose him. And if Windler gets 5 open looks today I bet at least 3 are splashing through. He’s too pure of a shooter to miss 10-15 good looks in a row.
 
For the life of me I understand why people keep believing Windler is this “pure” shooter! HE’S NOT!!!!! Nothing about his form or stroke says “pure shooter”! I can’t even fix my lips to call him a streaky shooter! Pure shooters have no conscience. Windler is too timid out there to pull the trigger. No real confidence in his shot!
 
For the life of me I understand why people keep believing Windler is this “pure” shooter! HE’S NOT!!!!! Nothing about his form or stroke says “pure shooter”! I can’t even fix my lips to call him a streaky shooter! Pure shooters have no conscience. Windler is too timid out there to pull the trigger. No real confidence in his shot!

You just answered your own question in the next sentence my brotha.

Windler is not a pure shooter because he's playing timidly with a conscience as a result of a quick hook and inconsistent playing time.
 
For the life of me I understand why people keep believing Windler is this “pure” shooter! HE’S NOT!!!!! Nothing about his form or stroke says “pure shooter”! I can’t even fix my lips to call him a streaky shooter! Pure shooters have no conscience. Windler is too timid out there to pull the trigger. No real confidence in his shot!
I read this post as if Donald Trump typed it on twitter.

Not interested in having a political discussion with anyone. Just staying stylistically.
 
If we're gonna be collapsing in the paint and disregarding their perimeter shooters all night like we've been doing, one of Mills/Curry could easily put 30 on us tonight. Like @Wham with the Right Hand said, stay with these guys and force them mid-range or risk getting blown out the gym . . .
 
I read this post as if Donald Trump typed it on twitter.

Not interested in having a political discussion with anyone. Just staying stylistically.
If you weren't interested in having a political discussion, you shouldn't have injected it into your post.
 

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