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Game Thread | Game #49 | Cavs @ Knicks | Jan. 24, 2023

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After two days off the Cavs head to MSG to take on the 25-23 Knicks. The Knicks have lost four straight games; two to Toronto (21-27), and one each to Washington (20-26) and Atlanta (24-23). They are clearly not playing well at the moment, although they had an eight-game win streak in December.

The Knicks are also the only NBA team over .500 with a losing record at home. Oddly, they are 11-13 at home and 14-10 on the road. Maybe there’s just too much night life in New York.

Starting center Mitch Robinson broke his thumb three games back only 9 minutes into the game. The Knicks allowed 123 points that game and 139 and 125 their last two games, going 0-3. Their defense has gone to hell since the 7’0”Robinson got hurt. He’s responsible for 43% of their blocked shots and he alters a lot of others. He also grabs 32% of their offensive rebounds.

These teams have played twice this season with the Cavs winning 121-108 in Cleveland and the Knicks winning 92-81 in New York on Dec. 4. That was the lowest scoring game of the year for the Cavs and also the lowest scoring game against the Knicks this year. Jarrett Allen was out and JBB started Stevens and Diakite. The Cavs shot 35% overall and were 5-for-29 on 3’s. They were outrebounded 54-39 and the Knicks grabbed 14 offensive boards. With Jarrett Allen back and Robinson out this time I expect those rebounding numbers will change dramatically in the Cavs’ favor.

The Knicks will be starting a pretty small team; PG Jalen Brunson is 6’1”, SG Quentin Grimes is 6’4”, SF RJ Barrett is 6’6”, Julius Randle is 6’8”, and backup center Jericho Sims is 6’9”, 250. Sims is a second year player who was a late 2nd round pick last year. He averages 4 points and 4 rebounds in 14 minutes per game.

Their sixth man is SG Immanuel Quickley, 6’3”, who missed their Sunday game with a knee injury and is questionable for tonight. Former Cavs Isaiah Hartenstein is the backup center. He averages 5 points in 18 minutes.

Randle is their best player, averaging 24.4 points and 11 boards at 46% from the field. Brunson is having a superb year at point guard, averaging 22.5 points and 6.3 assists on 47% and 40%. Barrett is not a high efficiency shooter at 43% and 33%, but he averages 20.3 ppg. SG Quentin Grimes averages 10.4 ppg and Quickley averages 12.5 points off the bench.

The Cavs have done a great job defending Randle this year. In two games he's 12-for-32 from the field and 1-for-10 on 3's. As a team the Knicks have shot 29% against the Cavs on 3's.

None of their bench players other than Quickley average more than 8 points, including Obi Toppin, Derrick Rose, Even Fournier, and Hartenstein.

As a team the Knicks rank 6th in offensive efficiency despite ranking 27th in effective field goal percentage, 25th in 3-point accuracy, and 24th in fast break points. The explanation is they are 3rd in offensive rebound percentage and 3rd in free throw attempts, so they get a lot of second chance points and points at the foul line. The key to stopping the Knicks is defensive rebounding and avoiding a lot of fouling. Robinson being out should put a big dent in their offensive rebounding since he's responsible for almost one-third of their total despite playing just 27 minutes per game.

The Knicks are 9th in points in the paint. They love the short mid-range shot (4-14 feet) and that is where they are most accurate. They are only 29th in shooting percentage at the rim and 25th from deep, but that short mid-range shot is where they thrive. Randle likes to post up his man and shoot a fallaway. It will be interesting to watch the Mobley/Randle battle when the Knicks have the ball.

cleaningtheglass.com ranks the Knicks 6th offensively and 18th defensively, but over the last two weeks they are 7th offensively and 26th defensively. I think the loss of Robinson in the paint is having a big impact on their defense. Atlanta, averaging 116 points, scored 139 on the Knicks last week. Toronto, averaging 113, scored 125 Sunday.

In two games against the Cavs the Knicks scored 108 and 92 points for an average of 100, so the Cavs have defended them well so far and the Knicks had Robinson for both games.

Defensively, the Knicks play conservatively, not gambling for steals. They rank 29th in steal percentage and 27th in forcing turnovers. They rank 24th in block percentage, but with Robinson out they’re probably last or close to it. Bottom line is you can get your shot up on this team, but they contest very well, ranking 4th in opponents’ effective field goal percentage. Without Robinson, however, I doubt they are the 4th best at forcing missed shots.

The Knicks are below average in defensive rebounding and with Robinson out it’s probably worse. The Cavs should be able to get some putbacks and second chance points from Allen and Mobley.

The Cavs will win if they 1) dominate the offensive and defensive boards with Robinson out and Jarrett Allen in, 2) avoid excessive fouling and strongly contest the short mid-range shots, and 3) take advantage of the Knick’s recent defensive issues to score in the paint using the height advantages of Allen and Mobley and the lack of shot blocking due to Robinson's absence.

The Cavs will lose if they shoot 35% from the field and 17% on 3’s like last time they were here. Garland and Mitchell were 13-for-41 and with no Jarrett Allen and only 4 points from LeVert the Cavs put up just 81 points - 31 below their season average. But as bad as the Knicks have been defensively of late, I can’t see that happening.

This will be the first game of the season that the Cavs have their entire roster healthy with the usual exception of Dylan Windler. I assume Dean Wade will be on limited minutes in his second game back, but otherwise JBB will finally be able to fully utilize his roster for the first time.
 
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@Wham with the Right Hand, I know you probably get this a lot, but I just want to make sure I add my voice to the chorus here - I appreciate the time and effort you take to craft these game threads. We used to have different people volunteer to make each thread, but that trend has fallen off in recent years, and so this task has ultimately fallen on one person, who is writing professional-quality previews for us. In fact, anything you've written here is leaps and bounds better than what can be found on other sites.

I appreciate you, dude!

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled doom posting...
 
Must win game. Med staff better have the IVs ready pregame so these guys aren't lethargic before tipoff.
 
Love to catch these guys in the playoffs.
Oi! I don't see them in the playoffs. Maybe they'll be in the play-in tourney, but I don't think they'll get out.
 
Flashback to the Golden State game... small ball team missing starters goes ballistic from long range. Hope I am wrong.
 
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Such a weirdly constructed team. The Knicks have a players that look good on paper but just dont play winning basketball, its the Carmello affect, lol.

I am probably in the minority, but I am just not a Julius Randle fan. Except for one here he is a chucker, shoots 33% from 3 and takes almost 8 a game. That is the same as Okoro shooting 8 a game. Plus he is slow as fuck, but I get he is an undersized ox who can rebound and bully his way to some scoring, just think he needs to shoot less from 3.
 
Looking at the standings, Knicks are in a little slump and in the 7 seed and the Hawks have lost 2 straight after playing decent. This is a big game to create some real separation from the play-in. Hope the guys take it seriously after being embarrassed last time they played in New York.
 
This really sucks. Can we please stop catching these teams on losing skids. No team really plays that bad for game after game. They all have hot shooting nights once in awhile. All year we have gotten the, "This team is really struggling" and they come out playing like the Warriors bench

Hope Donovan being back is a bit of juice instead of a new wrinkle to iron out.
 
This really sucks. Can we please stop catching these teams on losing skids. No team really plays that bad for game after game. They all have hot shooting nights once in awhile. All year we have gotten the, "This team is really struggling" and they come out playing like the Warriors bench

Hope Donovan being back is a bit of juice instead of a new wrinkle to iron out.

The biggest wrinnkle will be when Wade returns to no minute restriction and if they give him the starting job back or keep Okoro at the starting sf.

As a starter in 16 games Okoro is averaging 8.2 pointns and and 38% from 3 in 3 shots a game. Honestly not sure how his defense has been guarding SF's, but wade is at 6.9 41% from 3 inn 4 shots a game in 9 starts obviously all being earlier in the year.

Numbers are not that different, I like Wade's length and I feel he plays better defense against the bigger SF's.

Digging in to their starting numbers, I am not sure who should start, but will say they are not as awful as we think as starters compared to allot of the options we all seem to bring up as trade targets. The starting SF will be a 5th option, not sure that person needs to average 10 a game, 8 a game if they shoot 3 or 4 3's with some effciency should be enough.
 
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The biggest wrinnkle will be when Wade returns to no minute restriction and if they give him the starting job back or keep Okoro at the starting sf.
I predict Okoro will retain his starting spot until Wade beats him out with great performances off the bench.

However, for some matchups, Wade is the preferred player. He'll get some starts. If he does great, he'll take over for Okoro.
 

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