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How long should a rebuild realistically take?

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I think 4 years is acceptable. Kevin Love's contract and calf has held them back, and last year was pretty injury plagued up and down the roster. Also have to remember: LeBron demands a total salted-earth approach year to year by whoever is the GM of his teams.
I didn't like the Irving trade at all, but it took some discipline (and the fact that they had already been bitten once by James' team-hopping) to keep the draft pick netted from the deal instead of trading it for DeAndre Jordan.
I do think you can't be so youth-heavy though. Figure out who you are riding with and start complimenting those guys (if it was my choice, I'd say Mobely, Garland and Okoro). This may include taking back a player who compliments and fits the team more, but is looked at as the "lesser" player in the deal.
 
Have you looked around the Eastern Conference? The Cavs are improved, but so is everyone else. Chicago looks poised for a big jump, after adding Lonzo, DeRozan, & Caruso. Same goes for Indiana after hiring Rick Carlisle and with TJ Warren coming back. Charlotte added Oubre, Plumlee, & 2 1st round picks, Hayward will be back, and Lamelo Ball should be even better this year. Cade & Suggs will make a big difference in Detroit & Orlando, who is getting Isaac & Fultz back. Those last two teams are likely our biggest competition to stay out of the cellar in the East.

Yes. It doesn’t matter to be honest. That’s an excuse. Do you know how bad your team has to be to convince yourself that teams like Orlando and Detroit are going to prevent you from winning 30 games this year? Especially when we added a guy equally as talented?

All I’m saying, if this team can’t win 30 games this year after adding Mobley, Rubio, Lauri, and having a full year of Allen, it means that JBB is a bad coach (who Koby hired) and Koby doesn’t deserve another crack at a lotto pick or hiring another coach. It’s not like I’m asking or expecting them to have home court advantage in the playoffs. All I’m saying is that if a team can’t win 30 games with 4 recent top 8 picks and some other solid young vets then a change needs to be made.
 
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Yes. It doesn’t matter to be honest. That’s an excuse. Do you know how bad your team has to be to convince yourself that teams like Orlando and Detroit are going to prevent you from winning 30 games this year? Especially when we added a guy equally as talented?

All I’m saying, if this team can’t win 30 games this year after adding Mobley, Rubio, Lauri, and having a full year of Allen, it means that JBB is a bad coach (who Koby hired) and Koby doesn’t deserve another crack at a lotto pick. It’s not like I’m asking or expecting them to have home court advantage in the playoffs. All I’m saying is that if a team can’t win 30 games with 4 recent top 8 picks and some other solid young vets then a change needs to be made.

So Cavs hit what would have been 25 wins in an 82 game with a severely injured roster last year and basically tanking down the stretch. 30 wins should be easily accessible with the roster improvements. 3pt shooting and just offense in general was bad last year. I think Rubio and Lauri should really help with that, but spacing might still be an issue. I hope Windler and Cedi can shoot at least pretty good from 3.

Replacing Gleague guys with NBA players will go a long way. Love and Rubio may be the only guys who don't want to be here, but Rubio has at least been a pro even when it wasn't an ideal situation for him.
 
Passing on Mikal Bridges, getting jumped for Hunter, followed by Green and Cade going 1 & 2 this year, hurt. No doubt about it. The hardest players to obtain, and most important to winning are two-way wings. The Cavs can't even get the backup replacement level guys to sign here for the full MLE.

You can have two, but not three, bad defenders in your starting unit. You can have two, but not three bad shooters in your starting unit. It's why two-way wings are so important. I'd be willing to attach a top 8-protected 1st to Love to bring back Harris and Ross from Orlando just so Bickerstaff had the ability to make meaningful changes. It's hard to get a read on how good your young players are when they're being backed up by Cedi and G League crew.
 
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THE CAVS went from 29 to 40 to 49 wins, from 73-74 to 75-76, because they acquired Dick Snyder (in 1974) and then Nate Thurmond (in 1975), and drafted Campy Russell, who made a big leap in 75-76 (to 15 ppg), along with Jim Brewer (who improved to 11 and 11, in 75-76).

Before that, they had rotten draft luck, missing out on McAdoo (in 72) and Bill Walton (in 74), with others drafts just being putrid. Other impactful players went to the ABA. It was a tough time to build a franchise, without Kareem, or Elvin Hayes, or Jamaal Wilkes, or Dave Cowens, or Jojo White, or Walt Frazier.
 
So Cavs hit what would have been 25 wins in an 82 game with a severely injured roster last year and basically tanking down the stretch. 30 wins should be easily accessible with the roster improvements. 3pt shooting and just offense in general was bad last year. I think Rubio and Lauri should really help with that, but spacing might still be an issue. I hope Windler and Cedi can shoot at least pretty good from 3.

Replacing Gleague guys with NBA players will go a long way. Love and Rubio may be the only guys who don't want to be here, but Rubio has at least been a pro even when it wasn't an ideal situation for him.
Cavs had 15 wins 40 games into last year including W's vs EC playoff teams like the Nets, Hawks, 76ers and Celtics, was not unreasonable to think they'd have gotten to near 30 with some health/luck.
I'm really hoping for a big leap from Okoro, his confidence was starting to really show by the end of the season. Still feel like the team needs another professional-level wing in the spot they let Cedi fill. I'm guessing James Ennis isn't interested and would rather land on the Lakers or another title contender at this point in his career, but he's the kind of veteran wing you'd like off your bench.
 
I'm going to say that injuries are another reason that hard time frames are so sketchy. For example, we're all counting on some improvement because of Mobley, but if he blows an Achilles during training camp, expectations for this season should be adjusted accordingly.
 
I'm going to say that injuries are another reason that hard time frames are so sketchy. For example, we're all counting on some improvement because of Mobley, but if he blows an Achilles during training camp, expectations for this season should be adjusted accordingly.
Even Lauri. Would we have a had a shot at him if he wasn't hurt significant parts of the last 2 years? That lost development time is also a big what if.

It's one of the reasons I am so worried about Windler. He is supposed to be in his prime right now, but he has played 3 months of professional basketball.
 
I think 4 years is acceptable. Kevin Love's contract and calf has held them back, and last year was pretty injury plagued up and down the roster. Also have to remember: LeBron demands a total salted-earth approach year to year by whoever is the GM of his teams.
I didn't like the Irving trade at all, but it took some discipline (and the fact that they had already been bitten once by James' team-hopping) to keep the draft pick netted from the deal instead of trading it for DeAndre Jordan.
I do think you can't be so youth-heavy though. Figure out who you are riding with and start complimenting those guys (if it was my choice, I'd say Mobely, Garland and Okoro). This may include taking back a player who compliments and fits the team more, but is looked at as the "lesser" player in the deal.

Four years would be great, but I somehow doubt we're going to be sitting here in April saying, wow, rebuild phase over, now we have a competitive team! It feels like if things go well we are maybe three years away (including this year) from being competitive for a playoff spot.
 
Four years would be great, but I somehow doubt we're going to be sitting here in April saying, wow, rebuild phase over, now we have a competitive team! It feels like if things go well we are maybe three years away (including this year) from being competitive for a playoff spot.
What's "competitive for a playoff spot" mean? Being in the play-in tournament meant being a 37.5 win team at #10 (adjusted for an 82 game season). Being competitive for the play-in tournament was more like 35.3 wins (again, adjusting the Bulls record for 82 games). The Hawks went from being paced as a 24 win team to being paced as a 46 win team from '19/20' season to '20/'21 season.
Personally I think the Knicks, Pacers, Hawks (could go either way here, but I think new rules hurt Trae), Wizards and 76ers are all primed to see their winning % drop a little from last year (though I guess this also is tied to Ben Simmons final destination), the Bulls, Raps, Hornets and Celtics look like they could make decent steps forward, I think the Cavs could find themselves in that bunch as well. Do they have 12+ more wins in them?
Look at the Suns, 4 years ago in the basement, 3 years ago, basement again, 2 years ago #10 in the west and outside looking in at the "bubble" playoffs.
The Cavs may not make a leap, but it's reasonable to expect a decent leap by year 4 of a rebuild, imo.
 
It really takes time to rebuild especially we had TT, Love, and JR the season after Lebron left. We had to rebuild from scratch and it takes time. No lottery luck until this year. But I am really excited of this team now as we have a lot of talent, I think we are in the right direction. Possibly see how this team fits or we go for a big trade in the next offseason.
 
What's "competitive for a playoff spot" mean? Being in the play-in tournament meant being a 37.5 win team at #10 (adjusted for an 82 game season). Being competitive for the play-in tournament was more like 35.3 wins (again, adjusting the Bulls record for 82 games). The Hawks went from being paced as a 24 win team to being paced as a 46 win team from '19/20' season to '20/'21 season.
Personally I think the Knicks, Pacers, Hawks (could go either way here, but I think new rules hurt Trae), Wizards and 76ers are all primed to see their winning % drop a little from last year (though I guess this also is tied to Ben Simmons final destination), the Bulls, Raps, Hornets and Celtics look like they could make decent steps forward, I think the Cavs could find themselves in that bunch as well. Do they have 12+ more wins in them?
Look at the Suns, 4 years ago in the basement, 3 years ago, basement again, 2 years ago #10 in the west and outside looking in at the "bubble" playoffs.
The Cavs may not make a leap, but it's reasonable to expect a decent leap by year 4 of a rebuild, imo.
Think the Cavs making a leap with depend on better defense and better coaching. Budenholzer and Thibs aren’t walking through that door, and we’re not breaking up SexLand any time soon. I think that Garland, Sexton, and Okoro could all make leaps this year, but if they remain a sieve on defense, they will still struggle to top 30 wins. I could see a jump NEXT season, if they acquire a two-way wing, and Mobley makes a leap.
 
It really takes time to rebuild especially we had TT, Love, and JR the season after Lebron left. We had to rebuild from scratch and it takes time. No lottery luck until this year. But I am really excited of this team now as we have a lot of talent, I think we are in the right direction. Possibly see how this team fits or we go for a big trade in the next offseason.
I'm in the same boat that 2018-19 season was a lost year in terms of rebuild and shouldn't be counted as year 1 because there were a lot of remnants from the championship team that needs to be dealt with. So it makes 2019-20 year 1 rebuild for me.

That being said, 4 years is reasonable to expect a noticeable jump in wins.
 
What's "competitive for a playoff spot" mean? Being in the play-in tournament meant being a 37.5 win team at #10 (adjusted for an 82 game season). Being competitive for the play-in tournament was more like 35.3 wins (again, adjusting the Bulls record for 82 games). The Hawks went from being paced as a 24 win team to being paced as a 46 win team from '19/20' season to '20/'21 season.
Personally I think the Knicks, Pacers, Hawks (could go either way here, but I think new rules hurt Trae), Wizards and 76ers are all primed to see their winning % drop a little from last year (though I guess this also is tied to Ben Simmons final destination), the Bulls, Raps, Hornets and Celtics look like they could make decent steps forward, I think the Cavs could find themselves in that bunch as well. Do they have 12+ more wins in them?
Look at the Suns, 4 years ago in the basement, 3 years ago, basement again, 2 years ago #10 in the west and outside looking in at the "bubble" playoffs.
The Cavs may not make a leap, but it's reasonable to expect a decent leap by year 4 of a rebuild, imo.
Well, obviously the undertone to my post is that I doubt we will make a leap this year. If we do I will certainly agree that the rebuild is on track. What will your view be if we don’t? We can revisit the question in April
 

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