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How long should a rebuild realistically take?

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It's only been 3 years since Lebron left. Now they potentially have a franchise player to build around. How many years were the Lakers rebuilding after Kobe started to decline and they are the marque organization/destination in the league. They would likely still be rebuilding today if Lebron didn't choose to go there in FA.

If you look how long it took the Bulls and Knicks to rebuild to respectability the Cavs aren't doing too badly.
 
It's only been 3 years since Lebron left. Now they potentially have a franchise player to build around. How many years were the Lakers rebuilding after Kobe started to decline and they are the marque organization/destination in the league. They would likely still be rebuilding today if Lebron didn't choose to go there in FA.

If you look how long it took the Bulls and Knicks to rebuild to respectability the Cavs aren't doing too badly.
I still think it's 4-6 years once you draft your franchise player. 4 years to start really seeing returns, and that 6 year mark being the leap to contender. Always thought that was a more realistic timeline for a small market team. The hope is that our previous younger guys really mesh with Mobley and you start seeing returns next year.
 
Well, obviously the undertone to my post is that I doubt we will make a leap this year. If we do I will certainly agree that the rebuild is on track. What will your view be if we don’t? We can revisit the question in April
I don't really disagree with you. It's more that I think 4 years is how long one should be patient on a rebuild. (basically that's your first or second draft classes contract extension).
My expectations going in is probably 27-31 wins. I think they remain in the play-in conversation but run into a tough March.
They are a year behind where they should be, imo. Some of that is self-inflicted (KPjr fiasco, Kev Love issue, wasting time on the coaching issues, Cedi Osman getting minutes on your team), some of it is luck of the draw (limited lottery luck), some of it was just a lack of assets in the war-chest.
If they are going to make a big step it will likely need to come by way of Garland and Okoro. I like both of those guys (I really like Okoro to make a big stride this year), don't know that they push the team to 37 wins though.
The lack of stable veteran leadership has been glaring as well. Will see how Rubio does in the role and if Lauri can add a look they were missing last year, if Windler's legs work, etc.
 
I think the LBJ aspect of this has been overlooked. We built a team specifically around a very unique talent, signing guys to contracts that we otherwise wouldn't, simply to maximize the chances of winning a title with him. So TT was overpaid, JR was overpaid, etc. all to keep LBJ happy. We'd have better off with a completely clean slate than what we had when he left, because we had two full years of TT, and one year of JR, under contract when LBJ left. Signing Love to that deal was a self-inflicted wound, but again, I'm not sure it's fair to blame that on Koby. Added to that is that we didn't have any real luck in the lottery until this season.
I think we kinda have to reframe this idea that those signings were just to keep Lebron happy, which it probably did make him happy.

Those were desperation moves to hold on to talent because it's difficult to operate when your cap is maxed. It's a situation where JR and TT hold the leverage since it's either an overpay or let them walk for nothing.

I think a good comparison would be the Nuggets overpaying for Aaron Gordon to stay. Is he worth 90+ million? Absolutely not, but it's an overpay to keep him on the team and have a contract that could possibly be moved later.
 
I think we kinda have to reframe this idea that those signings were just to keep Lebron happy, which it probably did make him happy.

Those were desperation moves to hold on to talent because it's difficult to operate when your cap is maxed. It's a situation where JR and TT hold the leverage since it's either an overpay or let them walk for nothing.

I think a good comparison would be the Nuggets overpaying for Aaron Gordon to stay. Is he worth 90+ million? Absolutely not, but it's an overpay to keep him on the team and have a contract that could possibly be moved later.

Regardless, they were moves that only made some kindof sense as long as LBJ was here. Once he left, we were in worse shape than a team starting from scratch - other than the Sexton pick.
 
Regardless, they were moves that only made some kindof sense as long as LBJ was here. Once he left, we were in worse shape than a team starting from scratch - other than the Sexton pick.
Agreed, this front office was so foused on winning now that they neglected any kind of team friendly move or really holding on to any assets.
 
I think we kinda have to reframe this idea that those signings were just to keep Lebron happy, which it probably did make him happy.

Those were desperation moves to hold on to talent because it's difficult to operate when your cap is maxed. It's a situation where JR and TT hold the leverage since it's either an overpay or let them walk for nothing.

I think a good comparison would be the Nuggets overpaying for Aaron Gordon to stay. Is he worth 90+ million? Absolutely not, but it's an overpay to keep him on the team and have a contract that could possibly be moved later.
also: you knew you could win with JR and TT next to LeBron. I don't fault the team for those moves. Titles are chips-to-the center table moments.

I still feel like they really f'd up the Kyrie thing. Like, wait it out a bit, or tell him they will deal him as the season goes on, etc.. there was a better deal out there had there been a more sophisticated poker player holding that hand.
 
Agreed, this front office was so foused on winning now that they neglected any kind of team friendly move or really holding on to any assets.
yes, and the 2016 championship and all those finals runs are paid for by the subsequent lack of assets after 2018. so being patient for an additional 2 years in the rebuild is the price to pay for those glorious seasons.
 
Unless you are one of the chosen few franchises in S. California or S. Florida it's probably going to take a minimum of 5-10 years to get back to deep playoff runs after a full rebuild.

I have lots of Bulls fan friends who were convinced their FO and ownership had the scouting and offensive system in place for them to rebuild in 2-3 years after Jordan left. Even in a big, major market like Chicago they have had 1-2 years in the subsequent 22 years since Jordan left where they were even close to competitive. The rest of their seasons have been crap. This is not unusual for rebuilds.

Rebuilding is long, hard work that requires some luck and lots of patience.

I thought we were on a decent path with all of the talent we have been acquiring but clearly we have no chemistry and lots of misfit parts. I hope they will play things out, draft a top SF in 2022 and then optimize the roster through trades and hopefully be back in the playoffs in 2023. It's going to take luck, player development and some smart moves.
 
ESPN has they 2021 top 100 out. Cavs have 5 guys listed between 50-100. Haven’t seen that many in a long time!

I saw 4, Lauri, Allen, Darius and Sexton....who is the 5th?
 
I saw 4, Lauri, Allen, Darius and Sexton....who is the 5th?
You’re right it was 4. I was counting Mobley in my head because he was mentioned in Sextons blurb.
 
You’re right it was 4. I was counting Mobley in my head because he was mentioned in Sextons blurb.

IF he is the best of that bunch, we might have something cooking
 
I'm on team Garland if we have to choose between him and Sexton fwiw, buuuuuuuuut. I just can't ignore Sexton's work ethic. It fucking shows. Look at how much he continues to add to his frame which is small, even for a PG. He doesn't have wide collarbones to add frame to or wide chest. Yet, he continues to add to it every year. It's unusual. the guys that add mass have different base to work with and are usually not PGs.

I can not put a cap on his ceiling.. I just can't.

Now I just realized I have been typing my thoughts on unrelated threads... but it all connects, so oh well. I just go to where the traffic is.
 

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