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[Obscured By Clouds]

you clear much more money being paid by the mile if you drive an EV.

I literally do not care about your Tesla.

 

[Man Called X]

I literally do not care about your Tesla.

You will worship Elon Musk and you'll like it!

 

[KI4MVP]

I literally do not care about your Tesla.

I didn't say if you drive a Tesla, I said if you drive an EV. They cost 3 cents/mile to drive (charing at home, closer to 6 cents/mile re-charing on the way). If you get reimbursed for the IRS standard 57.5 cents/mile, you clear 54.5 cents/mile. And if you're staying overnight, some hotels have free EV charging, so first leg back is free. Only real maintenance is wear and tear on tires and windshield washer fluid.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

I didn't say if you drive a Tesla, I said if you drive an EV. They cost 3 cents/mile to drive (charing at home, closer to 6 cents/mile re-charing on the way). If you get reimbursed for the IRS standard 57.5 cents/mile, you clear 54.5 cents/mile. And if you're staying overnight, some hotels have free EV charging, so first leg back is free. Only real maintenance is wear and tear on tires and windshield washer fluid.

I don't care. Get it yet?

Listen, you are coming off as some elitist because you chose to buy a Tesla, and it is beyond old by now. I chose not to by a Tesla for numerous reasons, starting with they are just flat out ugly, their feedback from the wheels is ass, they are portly pigs and you can feel it in the turns, and somehow they do not support Android Auto.

I also did not start this thread for you to constantly be talking about your Tesla. If there is not a Tesla thread for you to go post in, start one.

 

[Wrathe]

I have 2 V10 combustion engines running 24 hours a day. One to power my iPhone via a Qi charging pad (for maximum power inefficiency) and the other for my wife's. We created a nice exhaust system that route's it outside the garage straight up the side of the house at a bird nest.

You can only imagine what we drive.


KI right now:

 

[MikeOC33]

OBC, even tho l hope my next vehicle l buy in the next 6 months is a gas guzzling rear wheel drive manual trans V-8, you gotta realize if you start a thread about alternate fuel vehicles that someone is going to argue ev cars, right?

Same as talking about Fed, someone is going to argue Rafa or Novak....

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

OBC, even tho l hope my next vehicle l buy in the next 6 months is a gas guzzling rear wheel drive manual trans V-8, you gotta realize if you start a thread about alternate fuel vehicles that someone is going to argue ev cars, right?

Same as talking about Fed, someone is going to argue Rafa or Novak....

100%. But he wasn't posting about the virtues of his Tesla vs the virtues of my choice(which, BTW, he does not even know since I haven't even said what I drive). It got to the point he quoted a post of mine saying if I travel to offices in 2 different cities, I drive because my company pays mileage and explaining to me if I had gone EV I would make so much more money. He was then literally quoting my posts that say 'I don't care' and continuing to spout the virtues of his EV choice. That's not posting about EV vs whatever, that's badgering me as if I have made a bad choice. I don't like to be badgered.

 

[KI4MVP]

I don't care. Get it yet?

Listen, you are coming off as some elitist because you chose to buy a Tesla, and it is beyond old by now. I chose not to by a Tesla for numerous reasons, starting with they are just flat out ugly, their feedback from the wheels is ass, they are portly pigs and you can feel it in the turns, and somehow they do not support Android Auto.

I also did not start this thread for you to constantly be talking about your Tesla. If there is not a Tesla thread for you to go post in, start one.

I advocate for electric cars and rooftop solar because I care about stopping climate change and those are two steps we can collectively take as individuals to help. We can't stop climate change if people keep buying gasoline cars.

you started a thread about electric cars. Hydrogen cars are a type of electric car. I explained why I think hydrogen a poor way to store energy because so much of the original energy is lost generating the Hydrogen and converting it back to electricity that you need more than 2x the power source. Toyota bypasses that whole process and produces their hydrogen from fossil fuels, which doesn't solve climate change at all.

I don't really care at all if anyone buys a Tesla or not. I do care if they buy an electric car vs a gas car because I care about stopping climate change. Such a dangerous gamble we're taking with the future of humanity. I use my car as an example because it's the one I know the best. Same things I said about my car could be applied to Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, or any of the other electric cars out there. Easier to use my car, where I know the range and the power usage than look up the numbers for something else. Chevy Bolts are sometimes on sale for under $20k.

That's the reason I bought an EV, but I waited several years to buy an EV because I had concerns about changing from what I was used to, then immediately regretted waiting so long. I try to explain reasons why people should consider electric cars as someone who owns one. Such a small percent of the population actually owns one, that has to change or the planet is doomed.

 

[KI4MVP]

100%. But he wasn't posting about the virtues of his Tesla vs the virtues of my choice(which, BTW, he does not even know since I haven't even said what I drive). It got to the point he quoted a post of mine saying if I travel to offices in 2 different cities, I drive because my company pays mileage and explaining to me if I had gone EV I would make so much more money. He was then literally quoting my posts that say 'I don't care' and continuing to spout the virtues of his EV choice. That's not posting about EV vs whatever, that's badgering me as if I have made a bad choice. I don't like to be badgered.

not trying to badger, trying to explain an advantage to an EV you may not have considered.

 

[Sebastian]

Let's be polite, folks.

 

[MikeOC33]

not trying to badger, trying to explain an advantage to an EV you may not have considered.

Biggest road block (no pun intended) to widespread ev purchase is the infrastructure- or rather, lack of it.

Do you have any idea how long it will take to have adequate charging stations in enough work places and public spaces, let alone charging stations to supplement gas stations to provide for millions of potential ev's?
You might say, well, everyone will learn to charge at home overnight. Then you are neglecting all the people who live in apartments. Do you expect landlords to pay for all these charging stations out of pocket? Let's say it's a 25 apartment complex, or 36, or 52. Nothing unusual about that. The landlord would have to pay for that many charging stations. Can you imagine the expense to install that?
What about the work place? Sure, more are working from home due to covid, but people with ev's are going to want/need to charge at work. Who pays for that? Is it a benefit offered?
You are also neglecting that humans are human. There are 10s of MILLIONS of lazy or forgetful people who will be shopping at Best Buy or Trader Joes or where ever, and they are low or out of charge. And they have to get groceries, drop the kids off somewhere, swing by the pharmacy, return some product, go get the kids again.... you know.... an average day.... and they've got to find 4 hours of charge time somewhere because they forgot to plug in last night? No easy charge space on every block... sorry.
The road systems took decades to build. The coast to coast proliferation of gas stations took decades to put into place. Taking decades to saturate the country with charging stations better NOT take decades, or it will kill the growth of evs.

Oh yeah, and another problem... compatibility. You want to fight for postive change? Then badger your congress person to mandate that there needs to be a standard charging system. There's like 4 or 5 different types of connectors.... that is just not workable.

 

[KI4MVP]

Biggest road block (no pun intended) to widespread ev purchase is the infrastructure- or rather, lack of it.

Do you have any idea how long it will take to have adequate charging stations in enough work places and public spaces, let alone charging stations to supplement gas stations to provide for millions of potential ev's?
You might say, well, everyone will learn to charge at home overnight. Then you are neglecting all the people who live in apartments. Do you expect landlords to pay for all these charging stations out of pocket? Let's say it's a 25 apartment complex, or 36, or 52. Nothing unusual about that. The landlord would have to pay for that many charging stations. Can you imagine the expense to install that?
What about the work place? Sure, more are working from home due to covid, but people with ev's are going to want/need to charge at work. Who pays for that? Is it a benefit offered?
You are also neglecting that humans are human. There are 10s of MILLIONS of lazy or forgetful people who will be shopping at Best Buy or Trader Joes or where ever, and they are low or out of charge. And they have to get groceries, drop the kids off somewhere, swing by the pharmacy, return some product, go get the kids again.... you know.... an average day.... and they've got to find 4 hours of charge time somewhere because they forgot to plug in last night? No easy charge space on every block... sorry.
The road systems took decades to build. The coast to coast proliferation of gas stations took decades to put into place. Taking decades to saturate the country with charging stations better NOT take decades, or it will kill the growth of evs.

Oh yeah, and another problem... compatibility. You want to fight for postive change? Then badger your congress person to mandate that there needs to be a standard charging system. There's like 4 or 5 different types of connectors.... that is just not workable.

for the issue of climate change, the apartment issue is an edge case for now. over 70% of the country lives in single family homes.

You don't have to charge every night, one charge lasts the average driver a week.

Also charging stations are becoming more pervasive, the more people buy EVs, the more charging stations there will be. Your example of trader joes has chargers for customers to charge while they shop.

 

[MikeOC33]

For now the amount of chargers may be adequate, considering the % of cars that are ev.

I think my points will be proven true in the next ten years.
In 20 years+, my points will not be valid.