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Gabriel Burns.. April 8th.. AJC.. Stays as subjective PURE CRAPOLA.. claim made..not supported..
Just telling you what a scout friend told me about Waters. I’ve listed multiple publications that have touched on it as well and all you have to say is it’s ‘subjective’ and ‘crapola’ without adding anything credible to back it up.

I actually have a funny story about Waters and what happened on his tour of the Braves facilities after he signed but I’ll keep it to myself.

As always, good talk, buddy. Love your combative attitude for literally no reason. Merry Christmas!
 
Just telling you what a scout friend told me about Waters. I’ve listed multiple publications that have touched on it as well and all you have to say is it’s ‘subjective’ and ‘crapola’ without adding anything credible to back it up.

I actually have a funny story about Waters and what happened on his tour of the Braves facilities after he signed but I’ll keep it to myself.

As always, good talk, buddy. Love your combative attitude for literally no reason. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas..

what you've offered is smoke and mirrors.. subjective crapola.. nothing more..
 
Merry Christmas..

what you've offered is smoke and mirrors.. subjective crapola.. nothing more..
I mean, I’ve given you inside info, corroborated by multiple publications, but hey, keep saying it’s ‘subjective crapola’.

Such a weird thing to be combative about but trolls gonna troll, though.
 
If subjective = crapola then pretty much everything here is crapola.
Everything here is crapola/subjective. How do I know Ed’s source isn’t an asshole himself? How do I know that Waters isn’t misunderstood? I mean Terry Pendleton likes the kid. Christian Pache had good things to say about Waters. It’s nothing but opinion and you know what they say about those. This is the problem with social media. You can claim anything you want on any subject, but we’re not required to give any proof. It’s just out there for the whole world to see. This is what I can make of Drew Waters. He’s a confident kid that gets labeled as cocky. The articles I’ve read do not paint him in a bad light other than the article that mentions the alleged draft scandal that threatened to make him a FA. Alas, there was not enough evidence to support the accusation. He was, and really still is, a damn kid. He probably has made some bad choices like the rest of us did as young adults/older kids. Bottom line, he’s one of the best CF/OF prospects in all of baseball. To claim he’s one of the most toxic people in baseball without some hard evidence is skeptical at best. He might be a fine young man or an arrogant POS.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone.
 
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@Gson

You have said way more crapola than anyone else lately, yet no one is getting after you! You say a ton of stuff that is very opinionated and has no backing but we still let ya speak your mind, then you call anyone with considerable rep and knowledge, saying insider stuff, essentially names/their info is worthless. My point is this, you do not to respond to @EdMonix11 like you are doing at all. So totally unnecessary at the end of the day that it could merit a warning if not banning on an opinionated forum.

Every scout has their opinion and between the scout Ed knows and some other info he has gotten, they don't like his personality. They could be totally wrong, but at the end of the day that is more information than we normally would get. I ran into a scout at a restaurant I worked at near a minor league stadium and he said, he never liked Bauers even out of the draft. Many teams will follow the advice of their scouts/put it in high regard so if this scout works for the Indians, then the Indians may not ever want Waters even if his talent is there. It is not like we cannot know someone who works in a baseball organization.

Better me saying this than the mod since I have no bannings abilities, when guys like AZ, Ed, Bimbo etc say they have some insider info, you don't just bash the info since in the past they have been right about it almost 100% of the time. That is very hard to do with a closed lipped organization like the Indians so you need to back off when responding to them. Do the I'll take your word for it and move on. I mean I personally dont always get along with those guys, but heck, they give good info and usually not far off the money on their opinions when it comes to the organization and baseball. I am not saying don't say your opinion, but do not bash others from theirs in here like you just did. Thats what messed up this place to begin with and made it a hell hole for awhile until we got a mod.

So all you needed to say back to Ed, is the, ill take your word for it, but from my perspective, he is still considered one of the best CF prospects in baseball. So on paper, getting him back in a trade for one of our guys makes a ton of sense. I will go with that until I see first hand for myself who the kid is.
 
Everything here is crapola/subjective. How do I know Ed’s source isn’t an asshole himself? How do I know that Waters isn’t misunderstood? I mean Terry Pendleton likes the kid. Christian Pache had good things to say about Waters. It’s nothing but opinion and you know what they say about those. This is the problem with social media. You can claim anything you want on any subject, but we’re not required to give any proof. It’s just out there for the whole world to see. This is what I can make of Drew Waters. He’s a confident kid that gets labeled as cocky. The articles I’ve read do not paint him in a bad light other than the article that mentions the alleged draft scandal that threatened to make him a FA. Alas, there was not enough evidence to support the accusation. He was, and really still is, a damn kid. He probably has made some bad choices like the rest of us did as young adults/older kids. Bottom line, he’s one of the best CF/OF prospects in all of baseball. To claim he’s one of the most toxic people in baseball without some hard evidence is skeptical at best. He might be a fine young man or an arrogant POS.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone.
Merry Christmas...
 
Interesting posting from another tribe fan looking at the DBax as a possible trade partner. The DBax are a team that has a need for a SS and the bank to keep him.. The deal as presented was what I'll call a "5 for 1 cluttered mess" or similar to the Clevinger deal. Modifying the deal by removing two guys for one and adding one prospect from the Tribe results in:

Arizona Diamondbax get: Francisco Lindor SS and Carson Tucker CF/SS/Util

Cleveland Indians get: Tim Locastro LF/OF, Alek Thomas CF/OF, Blake Walston LHSP, and Wilderd Patino RF/OF

Locastro would be able to help the Indians OF immediately, but, wouldn't set the world on fire.. He's a decent/good player with plenty of versatility. The clear prize(s) in this deal for the Indians are Thomas and Walston.. Both were very well thought of prospects that could impact the Indians no sooner than 2022.. Wilderd Pantino is much further away and would compliment George Valera and Petey Halpin as future Indians OF'ers. With this deal, the Indians rebuild of their outfield prospect pipeline would be just about on par with their prospect pipeline for pitching.

This deal would clearly indicate to the public at large that the Indians are punting the 2021 season.. and that may be true.. The market has been extremely slow and this may represent the best kind of deal the CLEFO can expect for the single remaining year of control of Lindor..

Thoughts
 
@Gson

You have said way more crapola than anyone else lately, yet no one is getting after you! You say a ton of stuff that is very opinionated and has no backing but we still let ya speak your mind, then you call anyone with considerable rep and knowledge, saying insider stuff, essentially names/their info is worthless. My point is this, you do not to respond to @EdMonix11 like you are doing at all. So totally unnecessary at the end of the day that it could merit a warning if not banning on an opinionated forum.

Every scout has their opinion and between the scout Ed knows and some other info he has gotten, they don't like his personality. They could be totally wrong, but at the end of the day that is more information than we normally would get. I ran into a scout at a restaurant I worked at near a minor league stadium and he said, he never liked Bauers even out of the draft. Many teams will follow the advice of their scouts/put it in high regard so if this scout works for the Indians, then the Indians may not ever want Waters even if his talent is there. It is not like we cannot know someone who works in a baseball organization.

Better me saying this than the mod since I have no bannings abilities, when guys like AZ, Ed, Bimbo etc say they have some insider info, you don't just bash the info since in the past they have been right about it almost 100% of the time. That is very hard to do with a closed lipped organization like the Indians so you need to back off when responding to them. Do the I'll take your word for it and move on. I mean I personally dont always get along with those guys, but heck, they give good info and usually not far off the money on their opinions when it comes to the organization and baseball. I am not saying don't say your opinion, but do not bash others from theirs in here like you just did. Thats what messed up this place to begin with and made it a hell hole for awhile until we got a mod.

So all you needed to say back to Ed, is the, ill take your word for it, but from my perspective, he is still considered one of the best CF prospects in baseball. So on paper, getting him back in a trade for one of our guys makes a ton of sense. I will go with that until I see first hand for myself who the kid is.
Gson has trouble dealing with anyone who disagrees with him whether it is on this site or others. It prevents him from having a good discussion with others and perhaps learning from others. Hopefully, he will listen to what you are trying to say.
 
Gson has trouble dealing with anyone who disagrees with him whether it is on this site or others. It prevents him from having a good discussion with others and perhaps learning from others. Hopefully, he will listen to what you are trying to say.
I fully 100 % agree with everything you are saying.. It's just a brilliant insightful appraisal of my thought process and beliefs..

Thank you for your wonderful comments..
 
I fully 100 % agree with everything you are saying.. It's just a brilliant insightful appraisal of my thought process and beliefs..

Thank you for your wonderful comments..
Add patronizing sarcasm to the list of your wonderful attributes. You just proved my comments. You are incapable of having a baseball discussion with anyone.
 
Add patronizing sarcasm to the list of your wonderful attributes. You just proved my comments. You are incapable of having a baseball discussion with anyone.
yes.. everything you say is perfect and without bias.. it's just such a fine example of knowledge and insight into making the Indians a better team that you offer in EVERY comment you make..

Bless you...
 
yes.. everything you say is perfect and without bias.. it's just such a fine example of knowledge and insight into making the Indians a better team that you offer in EVERY comment you make..

Bless you...
When did I say anywhere the my thoughts or opinions were perfect or any better than anyone else? The answer is nowhere. You, on the other hand, continue to put down and insult others with your condescending attitude. Perhaps you should look into the mirror. My final comment to you is that I am glad that Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff are running the Indians rather than you. Happy Holidays and grow up. You come off as a bully and a middle schooler.
 

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