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If Michael Redd was a Cleveland Cavalier

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For those of us who have been here for awhile (BTW my 15th anniversary is coming up on the 21st— I expect pics in your best pair of lace front panties in my messages)

At any rate, it’s been discussed time and time again in the mid to late 2000’s— but if Michael Redd would have signed with the Cavs in 2005 as opposed to Larry Hughes— do the Cavaliers win 1 title before 2010 ?
 
I think the fact there were no ring chasing vets the first go around really had a lot to do with just the plain lack of talent. I think Redd and Lebron would have been seen as a perfect pairing at the time and would have attracted others to come to Cleveland.

One big issue was that at the time, Redd and Ray Allen were the only really good 3 pts shooters that really had a complete game. Everyone the Cavs got was very limited in other things they could do. So, I dunno if they win a chip, but I think everything would have been different.
 
I don't think we win a title, we would have had a much better player than Larry to go against SA but Redd alone was not good enough to beat the team. We might have on an eastern conference title a year or two more.

Redd falloff a cliff after about 4 more years (maybe 5), so the window with him would have been small. Its an interesting thought, but we really needed Lebron to leave, pick up Kyrie and have the capital to trade for Love...all never happens if Lebron stays, we couldn't find anyone that wanted to come and if Redd did, we are still an all-star short.
 
2009 was the best shot IMO. He had an ACL tear that year I think
 
For those of us who have been here for awhile (BTW my 15th anniversary is coming up on the 21st— I expect pics in your best pair of lace front panties in my messages)

At any rate, it’s been discussed time and time again in the mid to late 2000’s— but if Michael Redd would have signed with the Cavs in 2005 as opposed to Larry Hughes— do the Cavaliers win 1 title before 2010 ?

I genuinely don't think so.

LeBron, while still absolutely spectacular, was not quite yet the murder machine in 2006 and 2007 that he would become in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Redd was AWESOME in the 2006 regular season and 2006 playoffs and very good in 2007, but started falling off the cliff in 2008 and was completely shot by 2010. I don't think Redd helps the Cavs enough in 2008 and doesn't help much at all in 2009 or 2010 when they had assembled their two best rosters.

So it boils down to 2006 and 2007.

Could the Cavs have beaten Detroit, Miami and Dallas in 2006 with Redd in Hughes' place? I definitely think they would have gotten past Detroit. I'm not quite as convinced on Miami and Dallas both. The rest of that Cavs team outside of LeBron and Redd would have been pretty scrubby.

Could the Cavs have toppled San Antonio in 2007 with Redd instead of Hughes? Considering Hughes was a -1.9 BPM guy in the 2007 playoffs and Redd was a +3.0 BPM guy that season, it stands to reason they would have had a much better chance. The Cavs only lost Games 3 and 4 by a combined 4 points.
 
I don't think LeBron was mentally strong until he lost to the Mavericks in 2011 and he had to face the NBA world mocking him for being so arrogant in Miami. In Cleveland, he would get the yips in big moments. Boston's Big Three lived in his mind. Something about that first championship in 2012 gave LeBron the Alpha gene. So while the Cavs would have been a lot more fun to watch with Micheal Redd getting with the goddamn program, I still don't think we win until LeBron entered Alpha Mode.
 
Oh that off season still makes me mad!

Redd should have come to Cleveland. When he didn't the clear next level guy was restricted free agent Joe Johnson. Johnson spurred us for the first time, but it wouldn't be the last, to resign with Phoenix.

If we didn't end up with Hughes the next guy on the list was Bobby Simmons or shifting gears to get the PG of the future, Earl Watson.
 
We never got the chance to paint Cleveland Redd :(
 
I think their odds improve but can't say it would have guaranteed a title. It doesn't prevent the massacre at the hands of the Spurs but obviously having a 2nd star to pair with a young LBJ would have been huge. May have changed the Wallace Sczerbiak trade too, although no Sczerbiak may have been for the better.
 
I think their odds improve but can't say it would have guaranteed a title. It doesn't prevent the massacre at the hands of the Spurs but obviously having a 2nd star to pair with a young LBJ would have been huge. May have changed the Wallace Sczerbiak trade too, although no Sczerbiak may have been for the better.
You shut your whore mouth. Wally's ass slaps are legendary and he's the reason we got a chemistry championship.
 
I would have preferred Joe Johnson, but anybody but Hughes is good by me
 
I don’t think Redd was that kind of player. If the question was Allen, then I’d probably say yes.

Once they let Boozer walk it doomed the team for LeBron’s first stint. They would’ve needed other pieces, but a LeBron / Boozer / Z front court certainly would’ve had the makings of a championship and also maybe sealed the deal for Redd or Allen.
 
The question to me is whether we could have beaten in Orlando in 2008-09 with Redd. If we do that, then Lebron vs Kobe in the Finals gives a huge boost to Lebron's development into a championship alpha and perhaps attracts other players to the franchise, and maybe Lebron stays. The Larry Hughes debacle was just so disappointing and damaging. I don't think you can underestimate how demoralizing it was for Lebron to play all those years with no backing talent at all.
 
Redd was AWESOME in the 2006 regular season and 2006 playoffs and very good in 2007, but started falling off the cliff in 2008 and was completely shot by 2010. I don't think Redd helps the Cavs enough in 2008 and doesn't help much at all in 2009 or 2010 when they had assembled their two best rosters.

So it boils down to 2006 and 2007.

2006-07 was his best season but he was very good right up until he got hurt. You'd have to assume that he doesn't get that catastrophic injury in 08-09 it's true, maybe my last post shouldn't have assumed that.

Joe Johnson on the other hand...he'd still be playing here if we had gotten him LOL.
 

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