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Indians vs White Sox

Derek

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Every season is different....

You can’t count on the fact that Bieber, Civale, Clevinger, Plesac will come anywhere near what they produced this year?

Bauer is a great example of this.

Nothing says the Indians can’t be 1st or 4th in the division next season...
Of course, which is why it varies. I’ve been clear on this.

However, it’s incredibly disingenuous to lump Clevinger and Bieber into the same group with Plesac and Civale when they have established themselves as very good starters in this league.

There is certainly a lot of evidence that suggests we’ll be far closer to first than fourth or even third next year. If you’re saying there isn’t, you’re either very misinformed or trolling.
 

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You sure changed your tone from a literal two weeks ago when you said this:



Winning over 90 games and not getting in was fine for you then. Now anybody defending a 93+ win team for having a good season is an apologist.

Quit embarrassing yourself, clown.
Good god almighty stop the damn match.
 

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Now, being continuously good like that is easier said than done, but I don’t see any reason to believe this organization can’t sustain success for many more years.
The Indians have probably a top two or top three front office (I think the A’s might have the edge by a razor thin margin) in all of baseball. It is absolutely feasible for this team to remain competitive for years to come, depending on the returns they can get for guys like Lindor, Kluber, and Ramirez (way further down the road, of course).

They continue to draft well and they typically manage to find a few solid contributors from the scrap heap every year. They obviously can’t contend every single year - the Yankees and the Astros are simply too good this year and probably for the next couple years - but there’s no reason they can’t continue to do the things that have helped sustain their run over the last five or so years, mainly the good drafting, trades, and being able to identify potential contributors for cheap in free agency or on the trade block.
 

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I chalk it up to the Browns not being as good out the gate as many anticipated, and it putting people on edge.
I agree with the rest of your post but the blow it up truthers have been loud and proud since the Astros series last year
 

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The Indians have probably a top two or top three front office (I think the A’s might have the edge by a razor thin margin) in all of baseball. It is absolutely feasible for this team to remain competitive for years to come, depending on the returns they can get for guys like Lindor, Kluber, and Ramirez (way further down the road, of course).

They continue to draft well and they typically manage to find a few solid contributors from the scrap heap every year. They obviously can’t contend every single year - the Yankees and the Astros are simply too good this year and probably for the next couple years - but there’s no reason they can’t continue to do the things that have helped sustain their run over the last five or so years, mainly the good drafting, trades, and being able to identify potential contributors for cheap in free agency or on the trade block.
Outside of the Billy Beane and the movie, do you know anything about the A's front office?
 

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Outside of the Billy Beane and the movie, do you know anything about the A's front office?
I know that like the Indians, they have operated under similar budget constraints and managed to field a competitive team most years.

They’ve been to the postseason at least as much as the Indians over the past twenty years, and I might have a little recency bias because it just seems like they ALWAYS have our number, especially this year.

I’m not disparaging the Indians at all, and they easily have one of the best front offices in baseball, to go along with one of the very best managers in baseball. I don’t know if anyone else could have had a team this ravaged by injuries competing for a postseason spot in the final week of the season.
 

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Oakland putting up what is looking likely to be back-to-back 97+ win seasons behind subpar starting pitching is incredibly impressive. Especially last year when the AL West was stronger.

12 of 19 seasons with 88+ wins since 2000. Only 2 seasons with less than 74 wins
 

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Oakland putting up what is looking likely to be back-to-back 97+ win seasons behind subpar starting pitching is incredibly impressive. Especially last year when the AL West was stronger.

12 of 19 seasons with 88+ wins since 2000. Only 2 seasons with less than 74 wins
What does their ticket sales look like compared to the Indians roughly?
 

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