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Ray Lewis was an exceptional professional and team player. as has said before non football things have no bearing on the hof vote.
 
This is what happens when you give morons like Skip Bayless TV shows where they constantly talk down and belittle people they personally hate, Media influence was so strong when it came to Terrell Owens unfortunately, who's one of the easiest 1st ballot HOFs ever.
 
Ray Lewis was an exceptional professional and team player. as has said before non football things have no bearing on the hof vote.

Yeah...they do...

Otherwise, why did the 2nd player ever to reach 1000 receptions, and who at the time of retirement was #2 in career receptions, #2 in career receiving TDs, and #3 in career receiving yards, have to wait until his 6th ballot to get in?

Because the media hated him, and he was a druggy early in his career, and they punished him for that.
 
Yeah...they do...

Otherwise, why did the 2nd player ever to reach 1000 receptions, and who at the time of retirement was #2 in career receptions, #2 in career receiving TDs, and #3 in career receiving yards, have to wait until his 6th ballot to get in?

Because the media hated him, and he was a druggy early in his career, and they punished him for that.
Most of Owens character issues occurred on the field, on the sideline or in the locker room.

The argument. which is not my argument is that Terrel didn't make his team better. created dysfunction in the locker room and the majority of the time failed to show up in playoffs.

there is a about ten-12 guys on the hall of fame committee who believe that integrity on the field and in the locker room is what makes a hall of famer and they believe TO had none of that.

That's their justification. the fact that 4 teams had one of the greatest wide receivers on their roster and by the end no one wanted him.

Owens had maybe 1 at max 3 non football related incidents and they are hardly a factor.

In his last 6 years he went through 4 teams because no one wanted to keep him. he wasn't worth the headache.

I'm not surprised TO is gonna have to wait a few years to get into the hall of fame


2000 - During an October contest in Dallas, Owens celebrated scoring a touchdown by running to midfield of Texas Stadium and posing on the star logo of the Cowboys. He later repeated his actions following another TD and was blindsided by the Cowboys' George Teague.


  • 2001 - After blowing a 19-point lead in Chicago and losing in overtime, the disgruntled receiver accused head coach Steve Mariucci of protecting good friend Dick Jauron, head coach of the Bears
  • 2002 - In an October contest on Monday Night Football in Seattle, Owens pulled a 'Sharpie' marker out of his sock after catching a TD pass. He then proceeded to autograph the ball and hand it to his financial adviser sitting in an end zone luxury suite rented by Shawn Springs, the CB he had just beaten on the play.
  • 2002 - After scoring a touchdown in a December contest with the Green Bay Packers, Owens celebrated with a pair of Pom-Poms borrowed from a 49ers cheerleader.


  • 2003 - Following a bumpy season that included several sideline tirades by Owens, he and the team decided to part ways.


  • 2004 - Owens’ agent failed to meet a free agency deadline in March, making him ineligible to become a free agent. Because they retained his rights, the 49ers then traded him to the Baltimore Ravens, but Owens refused to report to his new team. He expressed his desire to play in Philadelphia, and filed a grievance, claiming he should be granted free agency. After a series of negotiations, a deal was worked out between the three teams which sent Owens to Philadelphia where he signed a seven-year, $49 million deal against the advice of the players’ union.


  • 2004 - In an interview with Playboy magazine, Owens hinted that ex-teammate Jeff Garcia was gay, a claim he later recanted.


  • 2004 - In a November contest with the Baltimore Ravens, after scoring a touchdown, Owens openly mocked Ray Lewis by performing the middle linebacker’s trademark celebration dance.


  • 2004 - In a Monday Night contest later that month, Owens appeared in a controversial skit to kick off the network’s presentation of the game which resulted in an FCC investigation.


  • 2005 - Owens hired agent Drew Rosenhaus in April and announced he was not happy with his contract. He also tells CNBC that, despite making $7.5 million in 2004, he needs a new contract to “feed his family.”.


  • 2005 - After hinting that he might hold out of training camp, Owens shows up with a bad attitude, refusing to acknowledge the media or speak to his teammates. After a confrontation with head coach Andy Reid, he was suspended for one week.


  • 2005 - During an interview with ESPN's Graham Bensinger on November 3, Owens took shots at the Eagles franchise for not publicly recognizing his 100th touchdown catch. During the interview he stated the Eagles showed a "lack of class". He also suggested the Eagles would be better off with Packers QB Brett Favre instead of Donovan McNabb.


  • 2005 - On November 4, Owens issued a half-hearted apology through the media, but failed to deliver comments regarding Donovan McNabb, which head coach Andy Reid insisted he include.


  • 2005 - Owens was suspended November 5 by the Eagles for the club's contest against the Washington Redskins on November 6.


  • 2005 - On November 7, Owens' suspension was stretched to four games, and head coach Andy Reid added that Owens would not play for the remainder of the season.


  • 2006 - On March 14, the Eagles cut Owens just one day before he was due a $5 million roster bonus.


  • 2006 - On July 5, Owens released a tell-all book revealing his side of the story associated with his time in Philadelphia.


  • 2006 - On July 13, Owens claimed he was misquoted in his autobiography. Owens blamed the use of the word 'heroic" in association with his return for Super Bowl XXXIX on his co-author.


  • 2006 - On August 3, Owens missed the first of 14 consecutive days of practice because of a hamstring problem despite an MRI two days later revealing no major problems. After returning to practice for several days, Owens claimed he re-aggravated the injury because his coaches pushed him back to the playing field too soon. This time he didn't return to practice until August 29.


  • 2006 - On August 10, while still out with an injured hamstring, Owens drew attention to himself by wearing the silver and blue uniform of Lance Armstrong's Discovery Channel pro cycling team while riding a stationary bicycle on the sidelines.



  • 2006 - On October 11, Owens had a run-in with receivers coach Todd Haley. After being chastised for showing up late for practice (he later explained he was in the bathroom), Owens and Haley tangled during a meeting later in the day.


  • 2006 - On December 16, in a victory over the Atlanta Falcons, Owens spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

http://football.about.com/od/nflnews/a/owenstimeline.htm#
 
Most of Owens character issues occurred on the field, on the sideline or in the locker room.

The argument. which is not my argument is that Terrel didn't make his team better. created dysfunction in the locker room and the majority of the time failed to show up in playoffs.

there is a about ten-12 guys on the hall of fame committee who believe that integrity on the field and in the locker room is what makes a hall of famer and they believe TO had none of that.

That's their justification. the fact that 4 teams had one of the greatest wide receivers on their roster and by the end no one wanted him.

Owens had maybe 1 at max 3 non football related incidents and they are hardly a factor.

In his last 6 years he went through 4 teams because no one wanted to keep him. he wasn't worth the headache.

I'm not surprised TO is gonna have to wait a few years to get into the hall of fame


2000 - During an October contest in Dallas, Owens celebrated scoring a touchdown by running to midfield of Texas Stadium and posing on the star logo of the Cowboys. He later repeated his actions following another TD and was blindsided by the Cowboys' George Teague.


  • 2001 - After blowing a 19-point lead in Chicago and losing in overtime, the disgruntled receiver accused head coach Steve Mariucci of protecting good friend Dick Jauron, head coach of the Bears
  • 2002 - In an October contest on Monday Night Football in Seattle, Owens pulled a 'Sharpie' marker out of his sock after catching a TD pass. He then proceeded to autograph the ball and hand it to his financial adviser sitting in an end zone luxury suite rented by Shawn Springs, the CB he had just beaten on the play.
  • 2002 - After scoring a touchdown in a December contest with the Green Bay Packers, Owens celebrated with a pair of Pom-Poms borrowed from a 49ers cheerleader.


  • 2003 - Following a bumpy season that included several sideline tirades by Owens, he and the team decided to part ways.


  • 2004 - Owens’ agent failed to meet a free agency deadline in March, making him ineligible to become a free agent. Because they retained his rights, the 49ers then traded him to the Baltimore Ravens, but Owens refused to report to his new team. He expressed his desire to play in Philadelphia, and filed a grievance, claiming he should be granted free agency. After a series of negotiations, a deal was worked out between the three teams which sent Owens to Philadelphia where he signed a seven-year, $49 million deal against the advice of the players’ union.


  • 2004 - In an interview with Playboy magazine, Owens hinted that ex-teammate Jeff Garcia was gay, a claim he later recanted.


  • 2004 - In a November contest with the Baltimore Ravens, after scoring a touchdown, Owens openly mocked Ray Lewis by performing the middle linebacker’s trademark celebration dance.


  • 2004 - In a Monday Night contest later that month, Owens appeared in a controversial skit to kick off the network’s presentation of the game which resulted in an FCC investigation.


  • 2005 - Owens hired agent Drew Rosenhaus in April and announced he was not happy with his contract. He also tells CNBC that, despite making $7.5 million in 2004, he needs a new contract to “feed his family.”.


  • 2005 - After hinting that he might hold out of training camp, Owens shows up with a bad attitude, refusing to acknowledge the media or speak to his teammates. After a confrontation with head coach Andy Reid, he was suspended for one week.


  • 2005 - During an interview with ESPN's Graham Bensinger on November 3, Owens took shots at the Eagles franchise for not publicly recognizing his 100th touchdown catch. During the interview he stated the Eagles showed a "lack of class". He also suggested the Eagles would be better off with Packers QB Brett Favre instead of Donovan McNabb.


  • 2005 - On November 4, Owens issued a half-hearted apology through the media, but failed to deliver comments regarding Donovan McNabb, which head coach Andy Reid insisted he include.


  • 2005 - Owens was suspended November 5 by the Eagles for the club's contest against the Washington Redskins on November 6.


  • 2005 - On November 7, Owens' suspension was stretched to four games, and head coach Andy Reid added that Owens would not play for the remainder of the season.


  • 2006 - On March 14, the Eagles cut Owens just one day before he was due a $5 million roster bonus.


  • 2006 - On July 5, Owens released a tell-all book revealing his side of the story associated with his time in Philadelphia.


  • 2006 - On July 13, Owens claimed he was misquoted in his autobiography. Owens blamed the use of the word 'heroic" in association with his return for Super Bowl XXXIX on his co-author.


  • 2006 - On August 3, Owens missed the first of 14 consecutive days of practice because of a hamstring problem despite an MRI two days later revealing no major problems. After returning to practice for several days, Owens claimed he re-aggravated the injury because his coaches pushed him back to the playing field too soon. This time he didn't return to practice until August 29.


  • 2006 - On August 10, while still out with an injured hamstring, Owens drew attention to himself by wearing the silver and blue uniform of Lance Armstrong's Discovery Channel pro cycling team while riding a stationary bicycle on the sidelines.



  • 2006 - On October 11, Owens had a run-in with receivers coach Todd Haley. After being chastised for showing up late for practice (he later explained he was in the bathroom), Owens and Haley tangled during a meeting later in the day.


  • 2006 - On December 16, in a victory over the Atlanta Falcons, Owens spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

Cool...I know all about TOs past, and I don't really care...but you just said "non-football things have no bearing on HOF voting"...

Yeah, they do...we've seen it with numerous players. Players who had poor relationships with media members or had off field problems have been punished by every HOF in existence. MLB, NBA, NFL...doesn't matter. If you were a dick to the media, they'll take it out on you when its time for them to put you in. If you were arrested or kicked off a team early in your career, they'll punish you for it.

This has happened multiple times. It happened to Carter, its happening to TO, and it will happen to Moss as well.
 
Randy Moss should have gone to prison for pretending to show his butt in that playoff game imo
 
You must be nice to the voters if you want their vote. :chuckle:

Ya, it's a joke. The one place where the tiny-dick reporters get to be the boss.
 
I personally don't think TO's (temporary) exclusion is that big of a deal simply because there are a good number of really outstanding receivers that are not in the Hall of Fame and probably never will be- Mac Speedie, Otis Taylor, Drew Pearson, Cliff Branch, Harold Carmichael, Sterling Sharpe, Herman Moore. There's probably a bigger logjam at WR than at any other position and it's tough to judge receivers simply by the numbers because of all the rules changes in the passing game. Anyway TO is going to get in, it's just a matter of when.
 
Most of Owens character issues occurred on the field, on the sideline or in the locker room.

The argument. which is not my argument is that Terrel didn't make his team better. created dysfunction in the locker room and the majority of the time failed to show up in playoffs.

there is a about ten-12 guys on the hall of fame committee who believe that integrity on the field and in the locker room is what makes a hall of famer and they believe TO had none of that.

That's their justification. the fact that 4 teams had one of the greatest wide receivers on their roster and by the end no one wanted him.

Owens had maybe 1 at max 3 non football related incidents and they are hardly a factor.

In his last 6 years he went through 4 teams because no one wanted to keep him. he wasn't worth the headache.

I'm not surprised TO is gonna have to wait a few years to get into the hall of fame


2000 - During an October contest in Dallas, Owens celebrated scoring a touchdown by running to midfield of Texas Stadium and posing on the star logo of the Cowboys. He later repeated his actions following another TD and was blindsided by the Cowboys' George Teague.


  • 2001 - After blowing a 19-point lead in Chicago and losing in overtime, the disgruntled receiver accused head coach Steve Mariucci of protecting good friend Dick Jauron, head coach of the Bears
  • 2002 - In an October contest on Monday Night Football in Seattle, Owens pulled a 'Sharpie' marker out of his sock after catching a TD pass. He then proceeded to autograph the ball and hand it to his financial adviser sitting in an end zone luxury suite rented by Shawn Springs, the CB he had just beaten on the play.
  • 2002 - After scoring a touchdown in a December contest with the Green Bay Packers, Owens celebrated with a pair of Pom-Poms borrowed from a 49ers cheerleader.


  • 2003 - Following a bumpy season that included several sideline tirades by Owens, he and the team decided to part ways.


  • 2004 - Owens’ agent failed to meet a free agency deadline in March, making him ineligible to become a free agent. Because they retained his rights, the 49ers then traded him to the Baltimore Ravens, but Owens refused to report to his new team. He expressed his desire to play in Philadelphia, and filed a grievance, claiming he should be granted free agency. After a series of negotiations, a deal was worked out between the three teams which sent Owens to Philadelphia where he signed a seven-year, $49 million deal against the advice of the players’ union.


  • 2004 - In an interview with Playboy magazine, Owens hinted that ex-teammate Jeff Garcia was gay, a claim he later recanted.


  • 2004 - In a November contest with the Baltimore Ravens, after scoring a touchdown, Owens openly mocked Ray Lewis by performing the middle linebacker’s trademark celebration dance.


  • 2004 - In a Monday Night contest later that month, Owens appeared in a controversial skit to kick off the network’s presentation of the game which resulted in an FCC investigation.


  • 2005 - Owens hired agent Drew Rosenhaus in April and announced he was not happy with his contract. He also tells CNBC that, despite making $7.5 million in 2004, he needs a new contract to “feed his family.”.


  • 2005 - After hinting that he might hold out of training camp, Owens shows up with a bad attitude, refusing to acknowledge the media or speak to his teammates. After a confrontation with head coach Andy Reid, he was suspended for one week.


  • 2005 - During an interview with ESPN's Graham Bensinger on November 3, Owens took shots at the Eagles franchise for not publicly recognizing his 100th touchdown catch. During the interview he stated the Eagles showed a "lack of class". He also suggested the Eagles would be better off with Packers QB Brett Favre instead of Donovan McNabb.


  • 2005 - On November 4, Owens issued a half-hearted apology through the media, but failed to deliver comments regarding Donovan McNabb, which head coach Andy Reid insisted he include.


  • 2005 - Owens was suspended November 5 by the Eagles for the club's contest against the Washington Redskins on November 6.


  • 2005 - On November 7, Owens' suspension was stretched to four games, and head coach Andy Reid added that Owens would not play for the remainder of the season.


  • 2006 - On March 14, the Eagles cut Owens just one day before he was due a $5 million roster bonus.


  • 2006 - On July 5, Owens released a tell-all book revealing his side of the story associated with his time in Philadelphia.


  • 2006 - On July 13, Owens claimed he was misquoted in his autobiography. Owens blamed the use of the word 'heroic" in association with his return for Super Bowl XXXIX on his co-author.


  • 2006 - On August 3, Owens missed the first of 14 consecutive days of practice because of a hamstring problem despite an MRI two days later revealing no major problems. After returning to practice for several days, Owens claimed he re-aggravated the injury because his coaches pushed him back to the playing field too soon. This time he didn't return to practice until August 29.


  • 2006 - On August 10, while still out with an injured hamstring, Owens drew attention to himself by wearing the silver and blue uniform of Lance Armstrong's Discovery Channel pro cycling team while riding a stationary bicycle on the sidelines.



  • 2006 - On October 11, Owens had a run-in with receivers coach Todd Haley. After being chastised for showing up late for practice (he later explained he was in the bathroom), Owens and Haley tangled during a meeting later in the day.


  • 2006 - On December 16, in a victory over the Atlanta Falcons, Owens spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

Almost all of these are celebrations, or very petty shit that more than 50% of the players in the league do. Contract negotiations and debates over injuries. Really? Those are issues that should effect HOF voting. He's a top 3 WR of all time with all of these "issues" so how exactly should the "issues" keep him out? They are specifically ignoring all of his on field contributions to keep him out. Saying the reason he isn't i is for other issues basically confirms that.
 

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