Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[cabs]

He has the right size for the shooting guard spot that we need next to DG but he just cant fkn put the ball in the net

 

[Alec]

If you could somehow combine Sexton’s offense with Okoro’s defense you’d have a great player. As is, both are irreparably flawed.

 

[AllforOne]

If you could somehow combine Sexton’s offense with Okoro’s defense you’d have a great player. As is, both are irreparably flawed.

I do think it's a mistake to fixate on what a player can't do, and instead focus on what he can do. Very few players can do a lot of things well. Most have one or two areas where they are strong. It's a matter of putting them in those positions where those strengths are highlighted and the weaknesses minimized.

Problem for Okoro is that he's a SG who can't S. He brings stout defense, and that has a value ... but this starting lineup is just crying for a SG who can hit a three reliably. Especially on a night like tonight when Markkanen's shot isn't falling. When that happens, the only reliable outside threat (among the starters) is Garland.

If this were the year that we all thought it was going to be -- another developmental season with a likely lottery pick, or play-in game as a best case scenario -- then maybe they could live with trying to develop Okoro. But the Cavs are looking quite a bit better than that. The expectations have changed. And while I'm not willing to give up on Okoro long-term, the tolerance for on-the-job training has to be less.

 

[Heat Check]

I do think it's a mistake to fixate on what a player can't do, and instead focus on what he can do. Very few players can do a lot of things well. Most have one or two areas where they are strong. It's a matter of putting them in those positions where those strengths are highlighted and the weaknesses minimized.

Problem for Okoro is that he's a SG who can't S. He brings stout defense, and that has a value ... but this starting lineup is just crying for a SG who can hit a three reliably. Especially on a night like tonight when Markkanen's shot isn't falling. When that happens, the only reliable outside threat (among the starters) is Garland.

If this were the year that we all thought it was going to be -- another developmental season with a likely lottery pick, or play-in game as a best case scenario -- then maybe they could live with trying to develop Okoro. But the Cavs are looking quite a bit better than that. The expectations have changed. And while I'm not willing to give up on Okoro long-term, the tolerance for on-the-job training has to be less.

Agree.

Cedi is playing so well, I'd start him at SG over Okoro in a heartbeat. But then the bench would literally have no scoring at all.

We just have way too many non-shooters on this team.

 

[Rich]

Feel like minutes should be lower than Cedi's at this point.

He can start for the sake of rotations, but it'll be almost ceremonial.

Kinda like Solomon Hill starting for Atlanta last year after Hunter got hurt.

He started, but he played bench player minutes.

Osman should start to creep towards 30 minutes and Okoro sub 20.

 

[Alec]

One miss from deep and his confidence plummets. Not sure how one goes about fixing that problem. You have to believe it’s going in every time.

 

[Futuredome]

Remember the "soap slam" scene in Full Metal Jacket "Pyle"????? That is what RCF wants to do with Okoro.

 

[weepinwillow]

pfft, several winning plays when the Cavs came back. Plays that absolutely would not have happened with someone else on the floor. Yeah, corner 3 needs to fall.

 

[Futuredome]

pfft, several winning plays when the Cavs came back. Plays that absolutely would not have happened with someone else on the floor. Yeah, corner 3 needs to fall.

I agree. He did stuff Collin can't do. He just needs to take and make more shots. Mobley likewise. But they are 20 year old kids.

 

[Lee]

Lamar Stevens is just as effective as this guy.

And 4 years older

 

[weepinwillow]

And 4 years older

and not as effective.

 

[RubioFanLifer]

Feel like minutes should be lower than Cedi's at this point.

He can start for the sake of rotations, but it'll be almost ceremonial.

Kinda like Solomon Hill starting for Atlanta last year after Hunter got hurt.

He started, but he played bench player minutes.

Osman should start to creep towards 30 minutes and Okoro sub 20.

The problem is the guy developed back problems without playing heavy minutes. It's worrisome.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

pfft, several winning plays when the Cavs came back. Plays that absolutely would not have happened with someone else on the floor. Yeah, corner 3 needs to fall.

Isaac Okoro is our "shooting" guard and his defender is 7'1 center Gobert who has both feet in the paint while the Jazz don't even attempt to pretend to defend him. That's a wide open corner three, a shot defenses normally do whatever they can to prevent, and yet Utah is literally conceding that shot as an alternative to anything else. Do you understand how much that handicaps your offense on every single possession when an extra defender can just clog the lanes for driving and rolling? It's not about just the shots Okoro misses. It's also the shots he makes more difficult for Garland and our bigs because an extra defender - especially when that defender is Rudy Gobert - can just cheat over and help contest the shot or block their path. It's insane to me how low the expectations are for Okoro that as long as he makes a couple plays here and there, like getting a steal or hitting a couple of wide open threes despite shooting like 25% on all those open shots on the while, he had a positive impact out there according to people.

Having Okoro out there instead of Cedi at the end of the game after how Cedi played (and really after how he's played all season) is such an indictment on JBB's blind favoritism for Okoro and perhaps the organization's obsession with developing Okoro and playing him more minutes than he deserves that's consistently hurting this team's chances of winning games.

 

[Rich]

pfft, several winning plays when the Cavs came back. Plays that absolutely would not have happened with someone else on the floor. Yeah, corner 3 needs to fall.

The guy making the real winning plays during that comeback was the guy who should be taking up more of his minutes, though.

 

[Cavatt]

I thought he’d be able to guard Mitchell, but I thought Garland did a better job slowing him down. Not sure what the match up numbers say about this.

Okoro is still forcing guys to their weak side too aggressively. Donovan can take advantage of that. Garland just stayed in front as well as possible which is the right move with him.