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Issues of a Domestic Nature (READ WARNING ON PAGE 1 BEFORE POSTING)

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I just want to say one more thing

Are poor people and immigrants, illegal and legal, the reason things are going wrong in this country? They are eroding the middle class?

We just spent 21T dollars on the upper class. Right wingers try to tell you poor people are the problem when 3 people own more than the bottom 50%. They try to say it's poor people's fault that 45% of people don't pay income taxes. Isn't that the job creators fault?

The whole idea that poor people are driving policy when we know it is the billionaire class that gets everything they want and have since the 80's. They are the ones to blame.

You are wasting your ire on poor people and refugees that have absolutely no power
 

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I am not got to argue on how we are treating them. I definitely do not agree with how we have handled all of it. The part that frustrates me is that all of this should have been a priority on both sides to fix. It is a hard topic to find a solution to. While I agree those that are in custody deserve better from a human/moral level. But on the flip side, none of them would be in this situation if they did not come here illegally. It is a tough balancing act from being strict enough to discourage coming here illegally and going to an extreme level of punishment.
There have been multiple solutions which Republicans and Democrats have compromised on since 2013, all of them have failed because of two people:

Mitch McConnell
Donald Trump

These are just facts, its time to stop blaming the left for wanting to solve the problem.
 

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There have been multiple solutions which Republicans and Democrats have compromised on since 2013, all of them have failed because of two people:

Mitch McConnell
Donald Trump

These are just facts, its time to stop blaming the left for wanting to solve the problem.
I am not sure why you would blame Mitch about 2013, the Senate passed a bill and the House did not take the bill up. So in that case, neither Trump or Mitch had anything to do with it. I feel like the big sticking point is the boarder wall on the Democrat side, and the Dreamer on the Republican side.
 

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I am not sure why you would blame Mitch about 2013, the Senate passed a bill and the House did not take the bill up. So in that case, neither Trump or Mitch had anything to do with it. I feel like the big sticking point is the boarder wall on the Democrat side, and the Dreamer on the Republican side.
That's fair. You can add a third:

Paul Ryan.


No issues there. Those are the three people you have to blame for immigration.

Not Democrats, who want to establish a pathway to citizenship, or realize that eliminating all undocumented immigrants from this country is 100 percent impossible, or want to fund the wall with technology that prevents higher rates of illegal immigration.

It's the right. Full stop.
 

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So let me get all of this straight, are the people in the border camps people trying to get asylum in the country? Or are they people who illegally entered the country and have been rounded up and put into the camps? Both?
 

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So let me get all of this straight, are the people in the border camps people trying to get asylum in the country? Or are they people who illegally entered the country and have been rounded up and put into the camps? Both?
Both.

However, many of the migrants WANT desperately to claim asylum, but have been barred from the points of entry (in violation of law) by Trump's policy.
 

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I am not got to argue on how we are treating them. I definitely do not agree with how we have handled all of it. The part that frustrates me is that all of this should have been a priority on both sides to fix. It is a hard topic to find a solution to. While I agree those that are in custody deserve better from a human/moral level. But on the flip side, none of them would be in this situation if they did not come here illegally. It is a tough balancing act from being strict enough to discourage coming here illegally and going to an extreme level of punishment.
Others have the addressed the beside the pointedness of this, but all in all Trump has exacerbated the issue of improper crossings with his policies and made it more difficult for people to come here legally.

Yes, immigration is hard. And it's made more difficult when the solutions from the right prioritize deportation, building a wall (without a plan to pay for it or any evidence for its potential efficacy), and locking up/separating families. The Democrats have come to the table for border security on multiple occasions, but because they don't want to cave on the wall, Trump doesn't want to get anything done. Keep in mind the Dems offered the wall for DACA and Trump said no. There's no excuse for how these camps are operating (I know you're not defending them).

When will the GOP reach out to the Dems? When will Trump? Why is the left always asked to give more and more to the opposition while getting insulted by brutal leaders on a constant basis.
 

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Realistically I don't think there's any compromise out there that would sufficiently satisfy both parties. Whichever party is able to gain power and push through their own legislation will 'win' on immigration, imo.
 

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Realistically I don't think there's any compromise out there that would sufficiently satisfy both parties. Whichever party is able to gain power and push through their own legislation will 'win' on immigration, imo.
You are correct.

The GOP couldn't even satisfy itself. Yeesh.

Watching that debacle was like watching George on Seinfeld turn down the NBC pilot offer because he was demanding Ted Danson money.
 

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You are correct.

The GOP couldn't even satisfy itself. Yeesh.

Watching that debacle was like watching George on Seinfeld turn down the NBC pilot offer because he was demanding Ted Danson money.
While this is party true, they never truly had control of both houses to get something passed. Remember you need 60 votes in the senate to pass a bill. In this last run they never had that many votes. Last time a party did was when Obamacare got passed.
 

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While this is party true, they never truly had control of both houses to get something passed. Remember you need 60 votes in the senate to pass a bill. In this last run they never had that many votes. Last time a party did was when Obamacare got passed.
Again, no you don't.

Especially when we're talking about a bi-partisan bill. Twice.

And it isn't even the GOP's total fault. It is a Trump fault which is due to his nebulous whims as much as any policy desire.
 

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I honestly don't know what else to say other then fuck Rand Paul

Citing "debt." What bullshit.

The GOP is very selective about what it wants to fund, but obviously has no qualms about running the debt up to pay for a tax cut and a war that will never end.

No matter the fiscal situation, they can find the money for the 9/11 Responders.
 

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Pence tweeted images from one of the concentration camps. How can we believe what the Democrats are saying about lack of hygiene supplies when there's clearly a box full of toothpaste CLEARLY labeled on that shelf over there. Soy sauce flavored toothpaste.



Also, it appears Bob Barker is involved in this somehow.
 
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